Electric bikes are cheating
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Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Mrsbanter » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:47 am
Thoughts?
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Comedian » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:14 pm
You could try flagging them.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby lone rider » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:21 pm
And even then there is singletrack that runs beside a fire trail where strava cant tell the difference between which and just adds them both to the same segment.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Comedian » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:49 pm
I was going to say.. Strava was a good idea in theory.. but in practice there are many issues.lone rider wrote:MTB trails segments are full of strava cheats. People cut corners and take shortcuts and every b-line just to post a fast time, it defies the whole point of mtb'ing to begin with. The only mtb strava times i compare myself to are my own, at least i know which parts of the trails i ride.
And even then there is singletrack that runs beside a fire trail where strava cant tell the difference between which and just adds them both to the same segment.
I agree that the only real benefit is for comparing your own performance.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby RonK » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:56 pm
Then there is no point to it at all - you don't need Strava to compare your own performance.Comedian wrote:I was going to say.. Strava was a good idea in theory.. but in practice there are many issues.
I agree that the only real benefit is for comparing your own performance.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Comedian » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:14 pm
I guess there are lots of other products.. Training peaks, cycling analytics ETC ETC.RonK wrote:Then there is no point to it at all - you don't need Strava to compare your own performance.Comedian wrote:I was going to say.. Strava was a good idea in theory.. but in practice there are many issues.
I agree that the only real benefit is for comparing your own performance.
However strava is free and the way segments work is kind of cool to be able to look back at every time you've ridden it.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby mtb1011 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:28 pm
I mean I might strap the garmin onto my motorcross bike and burn around the tracks knocking off the e-bike koms nar wouldn't waste my time as I cycle for health and fitness and not to sit my posterior on some motorized contraption.
unless you're old or disabled there's no excuse not to ride a human powered bike and challenge yourself, particularly with the obesity levels we see all around us.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby mikgit » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:06 pm
Yeah, there is one segment I normally ride that vaguely follows the park access road, I'd always done OK on, till one day I was knackered and so at the high point I just bailed onto the road and cruised on down...leapt up the leader board. I don't like it but there no way I can easily fix the ride... especially since the 70 or so people ahead have also done the same thing...lone rider wrote: And even then there is singletrack that runs beside a fire trail where strava cant tell the difference between which and just adds them both to the same segment.
But where that segment ends, you cross the road and another one starts, if you ride to one side of a log barrier thing (low park fence treated log style thing) you're good to go, ride the other side, it won't pick up the segment... so on one side of the road, you can be 50m away from the segment and it still picks it up because there are enough points close to the road...but the other segment, you can't be 2m away or it won't pick it up
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby AUbicycles » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:19 am
I see the value of ebikes, whether it creates or extends accessibility and for Strava, it would be worth highlighting this as the segments need to be better segmented.Mrsbanter wrote:Thoughts?
For a eMTB rider, the would predefine eMTB and essentially all eMTB results would not be displayed / used for the results tally.
It would be largely the responsibility of the rider so inevitable that mistakes are made or riders knowingly select the wrong category. However Strava should begin to automatically detect or self-flag unusual segment times. I had a segment where I was surprised at the uphill times (they were less than half my time) and realised that they were from people leaving on their Garmins while driving home after riding. I confirmed by looking at their continuing journey and speeds and also commented for one person who confirmed... though there were too many incorrect times to worry about.
That said, if Strava could receive instructions to determine reasonable speeds and recognise automatically or by reporting that certain times are not possible from human power alone, this would help. Strava should also be able to judge an individuals performance and also determine a rider who has a 15kmh average who can suddenly sustain 60kmh averages in comparison to other performance riders, and subsequently flag irregularities.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby trailgumby » Wed Dec 14, 2016 8:36 pm
We already have a big fight to keep trail access around Sydney, let alone expand the network, and having these things hareing around will significantly complicate advocacy efforts.
There is a push to keep us off walking tracks because of the risk of collision. Traditionally we've been able to say with some credibility that this is a non-issue because our power outputs (and therefore speeds and impact on trail erosion) are so low - the blue rinse set that has nothing better to do in their retirement but whinge to land managers has typically confused us with motorbikes.
These things, however, only cut out the power when you exceed 25km/hr. On many trails that is dangerously fast.
Some land managers have banned them on singletrack, with substantial fines applying. I think that is a good outcome.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby mtb1011 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:13 pm
if they hit one of us, no insurance and you have inexperienced fat dude plus a 30kg Chinese bike coming down on you.
what's wrong with people, cycling aren't' so hard that you need to motor farkin hell.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Marx » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:30 pm
We all automatically assume all MTB related KOMs are cheats anyway, so there's no glory in having your name up there.
A bike and a place to ride.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby Comedian » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:50 pm
I reckon if you looked at 10 electric MTB's I'd be surprised if more than a couple had the speed limiter in place.trailgumby wrote:I don't like them.
These things, however, only cut out the power when you exceed 25km/hr. On many trails that is dangerously fast.
I don't like illegal electric bikes. But - I think it's a bit like trying to stop rat running motorists. It's like holding the tide back.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby trailgumby » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:52 am
That's why I train with a power meter rather than by segment times.Marx wrote:Strava KOMs & Segmet leaderborads can't apply to MTB, as even a slight change in the weather or a recent trail working bee can dramatically affect the result.
We all automatically assume all MTB related KOMs are cheats anyway, so there's no glory in having your name up there.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby NOVISCOTT » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:06 pm
It's a decent workout, completed in a decent time, that covers the to and from work.
I have to also say I've not yet seen another eMTB. And neither have any of the people I've come across. I doubt the walkers I've passed and said hello to or had a chat with even knew my bike was powered.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby RonK » Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:21 pm
Not really all that surprising really, as Logan puts it...trailgumby wrote:There is a push to keep us off walking tracks because of the risk of collision. Traditionally we've been able to say with some credibility that this is a non-issue because our power outputs (and therefore speeds and impact on trail erosion) are so low - the blue rinse set that has nothing better to do in their retirement but whinge to land managers has typically confused us with motorbikes.
The Rise of Bikepacking, A ManifestoAs the editor at BIKEPACKING.com, I see a lot of bike related content. After a while, it’s easy to gloss over the prevailing tone of mainstream mountain biking media, social streams and culture. You know, the one where trails aren’t just ridden. They’re ripped, crushed, owned, and shredded. Scenery is supplanted by skids, tail whips and big air. All too often, the image of mountain biking is portrayed as destroying land, not savoring it. This overtly aggressive lexicon has also slipped into the words, visual language, culture, clothing, and graphics that define it. It’s no wonder other land user groups fear us.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
Postby trailgumby » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:42 pm
I quite agree. Those cover shots make me shudder.RonK wrote:Not really all that surprising really, as Logan puts it...
The Rise of Bikepacking, A ManifestoAs the editor at BIKEPACKING.com, I see a lot of bike related content. After a while, it’s easy to gloss over the prevailing tone of mainstream mountain biking media, social streams and culture. You know, the one where trails aren’t just ridden. They’re ripped, crushed, owned, and shredded. Scenery is supplanted by skids, tail whips and big air. All too often, the image of mountain biking is portrayed as destroying land, not savoring it. This overtly aggressive lexicon has also slipped into the words, visual language, culture, clothing, and graphics that define it. It’s no wonder other land user groups fear us.
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Re: Electric bikes are cheating
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