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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby brades68 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:24 am

hannos wrote:
AUbicycles wrote:Here we go.

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I do like this design


+1, i like! when can i get one, how much?

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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby The Womble » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:09 am

At this stage we would all be looking at $70 a pop. Im still considering the black jersey IF I get jackets made. If this happens the jackets will be in the above color. Unsure of those prices ATM
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby AUbicycles » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:19 pm

Let me work on the fine details.
I can test colour variations with side panels... and look at the sleeve.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby greyhoundtom » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:57 am

Love the design and colour combination!!
I'm In. :D

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Postby d3funct » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:03 am

Bellisimo!!

Looks great :D
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby sogood » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:52 am

Large area of yellow is important. Black is not consistent with this safety them. So yes, I'd buy a later revised design.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby greyhoundtom » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:20 am

The Womble wrote:That does look great. Can black be incorporated into the sleeves with the logo like the first ones? I also think the black side panels would benefit from white borders. Oh and feel free to chuck some BNA signage on there Chris. Free for the site. Everyone else will pay through the nose :P

Sorry guys I only just noticed this post, while I think a small BNA logo on each sleeve is a great idea, if the rest of the jersey is going to be covered with advertising which IMHO will detract from the intent of the jersey in the first place, I’m out.

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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby The Womble » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:25 am

The advertising will in no way detract from the overall theme and message of the final design. That simply will not be allowed to happen. However the initial cost of the first order will cost several thousands and there is no other way of getting the jersey into production, so there will indeed be sponsorship incorporated into the scheme
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby AUbicycles » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:25 pm

I will have email contact with Womble to look into the sponsorship logos - Best rest assured that we will keep the primary message in the foreground and sponsors/supporter logos would be subtle.
Tom, lets wait it out.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby notwal » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:37 pm

That <1m.> looks amateurish and wrong. It should be < 1 m >.( 1 space m no period)
I wouldn't wear a dorky thing like that. Its as daggy as writing klm for km.
Either get it right or do it in crayon.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby AUbicycles » Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:19 am

Good on you mate. Haven't seen you contributing / supporting much and until you do, your comments don't have much value.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby The Womble » Sat Oct 23, 2010 7:15 am

notwal wrote:That <1m.> looks amateurish and wrong. It should be < 1 m >.( 1 space m no period)
I wouldn't wear a dorky thing like that. Its as daggy as writing klm for km.
Either get it right or do it in crayon.

Nawh look. Another dropkick with an unneccesarily strong opinion, but no intention of getting his s*** together and doing anything at all.
Negative critisism is fine. Then theres 'individuals like you who have had nothing positive to add to any thread since joining, and whose posts mostly go un-noticed despite the shouting. Dont expect your opinions to be taken onboard, well, ever.
We wont be using crayons. The tantrums we'd have to put up with in wrestling them
off you just aren't worth the trouble
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby gingermikey » Sat Oct 23, 2010 12:54 pm

This last design is a great looking jersey... I'll surely hit you up for one when done.

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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby notwal » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:21 am

The Womble wrote:
notwal wrote:That <1m.> looks amateurish and wrong. It should be < 1 m >.( 1 space m no period)
I wouldn't wear a dorky thing like that. Its as daggy as writing klm for km.
Either get it right or do it in crayon.

Nawh look. Another dropkick with an unneccesarily strong opinion, but no intention of getting his s*** together and doing anything at all.
Negative critisism is fine. Then theres 'individuals like you who have had nothing positive to add to any thread since joining, and whose posts mostly go un-noticed despite the shouting. Dont expect your opinions to be taken onboard, well, ever.
We wont be using crayons. The tantrums we'd have to put up with in wrestling them
off you just aren't worth the trouble


WT?! That is gratuitously offensive.

Perhaps I should rephrase my criticism.
The symbol you present on the back of that jersey could be clearer. In fact at first glance (which is all a motorist is going to get of it) I did not understand what it was about.
Now you could make the assumption that I am an atypical dill but then its the dills who are driving that are the most dangerous.

You could make it clearer with a few changes. Those changes are:
1) Adopt a familiar font. "Transport" font is the font used on road signs.
2) Follow writing conventions. 1 space m
3) Make the arrow more like an arrow. Have a look at some airport signs.


Is that sufficiently anodyne for you :wink:
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby notwal » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:29 am

AUbicycles wrote:Good on you mate. Haven't seen you contributing / supporting much and until you do, your comments don't have much value.


What is this, a sheltered workshop?
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby AUbicycles » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:29 am

No.. but lets look at it this way, there was already feedback on the design and logo and each they were all much more constructive. Then someone comes in and with no thought about the efforts that other people have put in, only brings in insults and negatives.

The font used was chosen as it was designed for use on road signs and extremely good legibility - plus is a stylish a modern (looking) font that will well suit communication.

The 1m. was discussed during conception, it was decided to retain this as it is not intended as part of a mathematical formular or within a sentence.. rather is a logo that has no obligations to utilise specific formats. The period sets the 1m as a statement and provides a visual accent that balances the triangle.

Regarding the arrow - if you spend more time looking at it, maybe it will click and you will say 'a ha'.


I see this as closed.

(Womble... lets tone it down)
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby The Womble » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:02 am

Mmmmm mmm mm mmmm!
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby RobertFrith » Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:24 am

AUbicycles wrote:The 1m. was discussed during conception, it was decided to retain this as it is not intended as part of a mathematical formular or within a sentence.. rather is a logo that has no obligations to utilise specific formats. The period sets the 1m as a statement and provides a visual accent that balances the triangle.

This is a very poor justification for breaking with established convention.

True, there's a myriad of logotypes that break the grammar, spelling and usage rules. It's usually done in an effort to draw attention to something that would be otherwise not worthy. It usually comes off as daggy and amateurish.

The period doesn't add balance or "visual accent". It adds clutter. Have you looked at a version without it? Keep it simple.

Have a look at some signage and some other logotypes. Even in situations where punctuation would be appropriate on a printed page it is dropped for these applications.
I fear the semantics of "setting it as a statement" would be lost in traffic. Anybody interested enough to attempt analysis of it's purpose will likely conclude that it's simply a mistake.
Which is exactly what it is. :D
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby notwal » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:29 am

AUbicycles wrote:
Regarding the arrow - if you spend more time looking at it, maybe it will click and you will say 'a ha'.



So here I am driving along the road that I paid for with my rego and another pesky cyclist appears in front of me taking up 1/4 of my lane and slowing me to half speed so I check my mirrors in order to pass and oh yes, he has a yellow jersey on with a triangle and I pass and I'm gone. Message received? Other than "cyclists are pests" I don't think so.

The "a ha" that you speak of relies on fore-knowledge. I think this is lost on you because you are familiar with the logo. If you want to achieve what you appear to be trying to achieve you should revisit that design. Forget about "logo". Think "sign".

Even if you are married to the idea of "logo" you should fix it. What RobertFrith has said so much more capably than me applies.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby The Womble » Sun Oct 24, 2010 11:39 am

Hmmm bigger arrow?
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby notwal » Sun Oct 24, 2010 12:15 pm

The Womble wrote:Hmmm bigger arrow?


I dont know Womble, bigger maybe, clearer certainly.

And just so you don't misunderstand, I applaud your efforts at improving cycling safety.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby X-wing » Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:31 pm

I'm in for that new yellow design - that looks good, and potentially slimming! :D
I'll keep checking for orders, but add me to the list of buyers.
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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby Aushiker » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:03 pm

RobertFrith wrote:
AUbicycles wrote:The 1m. was discussed during conception, it was decided to retain this as it is not intended as part of a mathematical formular or within a sentence.. rather is a logo that has no obligations to utilise specific formats. The period sets the 1m as a statement and provides a visual accent that balances the triangle.

This is a very poor justification for breaking with established convention.

True, there's a myriad of logotypes that break the grammar, spelling and usage rules. It's usually done in an effort to draw attention to something that would be otherwise not worthy. It usually comes off as daggy and amateurish.

The period doesn't add balance or "visual accent". It adds clutter. Have you looked at a version without it? Keep it simple.

Have a look at some signage and some other logotypes. Even in situations where punctuation would be appropriate on a printed page it is dropped for these applications.
I fear the semantics of "setting it as a statement" would be lost in traffic. Anybody interested enough to attempt analysis of it's purpose will likely conclude that it's simply a mistake.
Which is exactly what it is. :D


Hi

I am with Robert here. There is convention in symbols and the like for good reason ...

There is an important safety message here somewhere apparently ... maybe focusing on that would be smart thing to do ...

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Re: safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby Comedian » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:34 pm

subject to price i'm in for the yellow one :)
Once you can climb hills on a bike it's all downhill. :mrgreen:

Hopefully I'll know what that's like..... one day. :shock: :lol:

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safecyclingaustralia.org jersey design finalised ish

Postby AUbicycles » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:52 pm

An amendment is up to Womble. I am open to the possibility to optimise and it is really only the period.
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