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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby zero » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:19 pm

brentono wrote:(As for the pre-mentioned relativity of "closing speeds", if it was relevent, and less safe,
it would be more relevent between a pedestrian and a car... which the ARR did not find.)
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Dunno how many times you'll put up the debunked point. Pedestrians vacate the roadway on approach of a car. Pedestrians on paths do not vacate (and are not expected to).
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby zero » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:22 pm

brentono wrote:jet-ski.
Amusing/Amazing, limited rules, limited supervision, limited space
and a lot of "traffic" ... throw in a bit of commonsense, and it seems to work.
(could be the right attitude, that's my take.)
Spent most of the last couple of decades, commuting on a bike,
over a lot of Asia, with not one accident (a survivor)... must be luck,
or divine intervention. :wink:
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The common sense is unfortunately lacking - Vietnam has a considerably higher road toll per capita and per travel km than many other countries - and thats in the context of a country that doesn't even keep the records properly and is likely to underestimate fatalities and particularly injuries. Motorcycles on the wrong side of the road is a commonly cited factor.

Presuming thats india - they are heading towards insanely high road tolls.
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby brentono » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:28 pm

zero wrote:
Dunno how many times you'll put up the debunked point.


debunked point= o·pin·ion·at·ed

It is suggested by the Australian Road Rules Maintenance Group,
that walking on the side of the road in the same direction as
and immediately adjacent to other traffic, is inherently dangerous.


Fact (you wish to ignore) :lol:
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby il padrone » Fri Jan 14, 2011 3:40 pm

brentono wrote:
zero wrote:
Dunno how many times you'll put up the debunked point.


debunked point= o·pin·ion·at·ed


= boring repitition
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby jet-ski » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:00 pm

Yeh it's India.... don't even want to know what the road toll is :P
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby zero » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:07 pm

brentono wrote:
side of the road in the same


Discussion is about paths.
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby il padrone » Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:12 pm

India's version of Shared Space is a bit out of kilter

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SMH wrote:Experts predict that more than 150,000 Indians will die in traffic accidents this year, the highest road toll in the world.....

.....Thirty years ago there were only about 5 million cars in India; now there are more than 75 million. The road toll is rising at 8 per cent a year and, on current trends, will reach 200,000 by 2015....

..... But India's road carnage is not just a result of its large population. The US has six times more vehicles than India but its road toll is about a third.
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby brentono » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:45 pm

zero wrote:
brentono wrote:
side of the road in the same


Discussion is about paths.


Discussion is about Shared Space, now! :lol:
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby zero » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:52 pm

brentono wrote:
Discussion is about Shared Space, now! :lol:
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yay!
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby brentono » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:01 pm

il padrone wrote:
brentono wrote:
zero wrote:
Dunno how many times you'll put up the debunked point.


debunked point= o·pin·ion·at·ed


= boring repitition


Is that boring repetition (when members are from different States)
like "..... in Melbourne" or "..... in Victoria" - as if that's all that exists :roll:
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby brentono » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:21 pm

zero wrote:
brentono wrote:
Discussion is about Shared Space, now! :lol:
:mrgreen:


yay!


Yep! Started back just after the "timeout" ... there's a good chance you missed it.
(instead of trying to nit-pick every word I say, you might want to get OT :? )
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby sogood » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:15 pm

brentono wrote:throw in a bit of commonsense, and it seems to work.

Common sense doesn't exist once the size of a population goes beyond a certain critical point. As for crowded Asian streets packed with bikes, scooters and motor vehicles.... You'd be surprised by the true death and accident rate.
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby il padrone » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:23 pm

brentono wrote:Is that boring repetition (when members are from different States)
like "..... in Melbourne" or "..... in Victoria" - as if that's all that exists

Enough of this thread


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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby sogood » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:27 pm

il padrone wrote:Enough of this thread
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Do you recommend a helmet in this exercise? :roll:
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Re: keep left on shared paths

Postby brentono » Sun Jan 16, 2011 5:44 pm

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