Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby human909 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:12 am

elStado wrote:Would you drive your car home at night if it has broken lights? Of course not. Why? Because it damn dangerous for both yourself and other people. Same goes for the bike, except its more dangerous for yourself. Why anyone would put themselves at risk is beyond me.


Would you happily walk your bike home without lights? Yes? Well what about sitting on the saddle while going 5kph? Safe enough? What about 7kph? 12kph? Safety isn't black and white. If you ride slowly and stay away from other road users then you are pretty damn safe. If you are riding empty roads and pull over whenever another car approaches how is that dangerous.

elStado wrote:It's not hard to buy some cheap $5 lights online so you always have a spare pair. That's what I do.

I do that too. And I ride with quite a few lights blinking. Including this on one of my bikes.
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However I don't see the world in black and white and I don't think it is a mortal sin to ride hope without lights if you are careful.

Matt72 wrote:Unless of course you use that as an excuse to commit a crime

Well just as well riding without lights at night ISN'T a crime! :D

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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby Matt72 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:21 am

human909 wrote:However I don't see the world in black and white and I don't think it is a mortal sin to ride hope without lights if you are careful.

Matt72 wrote:Unless of course you use that as an excuse to commit a crime

Well just as well riding without lights at night ISN'T a crime! :D


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Riding at night is illegal unless the bicycle or the rider has a white light (flashing or steady) on the front, a red light (flashing or steady) at the back and a red reflector at the back.

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Saf ... cycles.htm

Obviously still not discussing facts I see!

You have a fair bit of this guy about you.

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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby damhooligan » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:43 am

Matt72 wrote:
damhooligan wrote:
damhooligan wrote:Ah yes, stolen lights, that has happend to me before... (from my pup bike... outside the pub...)
And in fairnes, makes the bike rider in that case a bit of a victim as well.


Let's not get ultra nitpicky here...

For everything in life there is always something you could have done to prevent it , in hindsight...
Being a victim of a crime is not a crime itself.


Unless of course you use that as an excuse to commit a crime



Let's make something clear.

There are two types of cyclists out there, the one that doesn't care, and has no lights and no intentions to use them.
These are the worst., they are repeat offenders.

And the ones that do care and do have intentions of using them.
Theses can be caught out by a defected light or theft, something that is not always being anticipated.
When this happnes , the don't immediatetly fall into the first category, they are stil resposbile riders , but with a bit of bad luck.
It wil happen once in a blue moon, these things happen.
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby Matt72 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:17 am

damhooligan wrote:
damhooligan wrote:
Let's not get ultra nitpicky here...

For everything in life there is always something you could have done to prevent it , in hindsight...
Being a victim of a crime is not a crime itself.



Let's make something clear.

There are two types of cyclists out there, the one that doesn't care, and has no lights and no intentions to use them.
These are the worst., they are repeat offenders.

And the ones that do care and do have intentions of using them.
Theses can be caught out by a defected light or theft, something that is not always being anticipated.
When this happnes , the don't immediatetly fall into the first category, they are stil resposbile riders , but with a bit of bad luck.
It wil happen once in a blue moon, these things happen.


Calm down Missy. You said you didn't want to get nitpicky and then you go and get all nitpicky.
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby human909 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 am

Matt72 wrote:Obviously still not discussing facts I see!

Pssst. I didn't say it wasn't illegal! I said it wasn't a crime!
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby Matt72 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:32 am

human909 wrote:
Matt72 wrote:Obviously still not discussing facts I see!

Pssst. I didn't say it wasn't illegal! I said it wasn't a crime!

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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby human909 » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:38 am

.... Which you seem to be veering away from in favour of posting picture. :roll:
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby Boognoss » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:39 am

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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby il padrone » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:02 pm

Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby elStado » Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:29 pm

human909 wrote:Would you happily walk your bike home without lights? Yes?


No. First of all I would make sure to never be caught out in that situation (I always have a spare set of lights on me and I remove the main par when I lock up).

Secondly, if I was caught out I would either walk the bike home if it was less than 1000m, or if it was further I would call a taxi and chuck the bike in and go home. Not worth the risk of being injured/killed.
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby jet-ski » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:28 am

elstado - I think I'd rather walk than get a taxi ...
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby human909 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:41 am

elStado wrote:
human909 wrote:Would you happily walk your bike home without lights? Yes?


No. First of all I would make sure to never be caught out in that situation (I always have a spare set of lights on me and I remove the main par when I lock up).

Secondly, if I was caught out I would either walk the bike home if it was less than 1000m, or if it was further I would call a taxi and chuck the bike in and go home. Not worth the risk of being injured/killed.


Very easy to insist on the moral high ground isn't it. :roll: But I don't think that riding at 10kph is any more risky than walking. YMMV though. Anyway I'm done.
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Re: Riding a bike with no lights in poor visibility...

Postby russellgarrard » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:05 pm

Well...you know how my old lights broke? I've managed to get a helmet blinkie on, my old .5w headlight on and a rear light that also has LED's out to the side. Good enough...still waiting on the solar lights from China though :) Forgot to mention, also have two led valve caps here that are bright green :) Work a treat!
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