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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby GraemeL » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:07 pm

With one of those, we would have more trouble than we have now at night....

Drivers would be blind and running all over the place :mrgreen:

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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby zero » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:38 pm

Yeah its somewhat stronger than a high beam car headlight, would have to be thoroughly road-hooded and mounted such that it couldn't angle up by accident. Probably still too strong even then.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby wombatK » Sat Apr 16, 2011 5:54 pm

il padrone wrote:The night cycling future ??

Anyone who thinks that the boy with a toy that has most lumens wins needs to think again...

Rule 219
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

Note 1. Driver’s vehicle is defined in the Dictionary, and road user is defined in rule 14.
Note 2. Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of drive in the Dictionary.

There is a clear cut obligation to not dazzle other road users. A bicycle is a vehicle and a rider is a driver. And road user includes
pedestrians and other cyclists.

Even 900 lumen lights and Ayups would dazzle other road users if not aimed carefully toward the ground. A 5000 lumen light is going to bounce off so much that dazzling would be hard to avoid. Even a 1400 lumen LED torch is close to the output of a typical H1 car headlight, and would need to have the shaped reflector treatment and lens that car headlights have to avoid dazzling other road users and be legal.

But of course, you knew that, didn't you il padrone :)
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby ajmit3 » Sun Apr 17, 2011 3:15 pm

Lights test 2011 results table
Compact front
Overall rating Light RRP Weight Batteries Visibility Useability Durability Waterproofness Value for money Find retailers Notes
81 Ilumenox Highpower SS-L1222W $79.00 93 AAA x 3 79 7 8 10 9 www.allegrobikes.com.au
72 Knog Gekko $49.99 54 AAA x 2 63 8 8 10 8 www.apollobikes.com/
68 Blackburn Flea 2.0 USB $65.00 17 USB rechargable 62 8 8 8 7 1800 333 054, [email protected] Easy to lose USB recharger
66 Knog Boomer $49.99 58 AAA x 2 60 6 10 8 6 www.apollobikes.com/ Difficult to find switch & fit battery cap
66 Planet bike Blaze 2W $89.95 142 AA x 2 68 8 7 6 4 0416 257 985, [email protected] Front cover part dissasembly after dropping. Water entered lens area.
63 Cateye Hybrid $169.00 123 AA x 1 or solar-chargable NiMH 52 7 9 10 6 www.cateyelights.com.au
60 Smart 1W $79.95 141 AA x 2 61 8 2 9 4 www.echelonsports.com.au Dissasembled but still worked
59 BBB High Integrate $64.95 137 AAA x 4 62 7 7 5 3 1800 808 181, www.bikesportz.com.au Rear O-ring leaks
58 Portland Design Works Spaceship $34.95 110 AA x 2 58 5 8 6 4 0416 257 985, [email protected] Tools required for mounting and to change battery. No seal and leaked
57 Exposure lights Flash $79.00 41 CR123A x 1 45 7 8 10 5 1800 228 229, [email protected] Turns in mounting when turning on & off; batteries inconvenient to replace
48 Blackburn Voyager $19.95 29 CR2032 x 2 46 5 9 3 4 1800 333 054, [email protected] Cover entire light with finger to change mode, O-ring leaks; batteries inconvenient to replace
69 Tioga 119 AAA x 4 67 8 5 10 6 www.bikecorp.com.au Scratched
Compact rear
86 Tioga Dual Eyes $35.00 81 AAA x 2 85 8 8 10 9 www.bikecorp.com.au
82 S-Sun Eaglefly $25.00 73 AAA x 2 88 7 4 10 8 www.allegrobikes.com.au Dissembled on impact but still worked
80 Cateye TL-LD 610R $49.95 59 AAA x 2 80 8 9 8 7 www.cateyelights.com.au
79 Niteflux Red Zone 4 $99.00 85 USB rechargable 79 8 8 10 6 www.niteflux.com
79 BBB BLS-Highlaser $34.95 64 AAA x 2 84 7 4 10 7 1800 808 181, www.bikesportz.com.au Opened and switch bent
79 Skully 1W Rear $25.00 12 CR2032 x 2 81 6 9 9 6 www.allegrobikes.com.au Batteries inconvenient to replace
71 Smart Two Eyes $45.00 73 AAA x 2 68 7 8 9 6 www.echelonsports.com.au
71 NiteRider herry Bomb $34.99 74 AAA x 2 67 7 8 10 6 02 4560 1200, [email protected]
71 Tioga 600 rear TCL54 $25.00 78 AAA x 2 81 6 8 4 4 www.bikecorp.com.au Battery cover leaked slightly
71 Planet bike Blinky Superflash $34.95 70 AAA x 2 65 7 8 10 7 0416 257 985, [email protected]
71 Knog Beetle $34.99 21 CR2032 x 2 66 5 10 10 6 www.apollobikes.com/ Batteries inconvenient to replace
70 Ilumenox Crocolight $29.00 32 CR2032 x 2 67 5 8 10 7 www.allegrobikes.com.au Batteries inconvenient to replace
69 Fibre flare Long Red $34.95 84 AAA x 2 60 8 10 9 6 http://fibreflare.com
66 Knog Boomer $49.99 54 AAA x 2 66 8 10 5 4 www.apollobikes.com/ Cover did not fit properly leaked
65 Infini Amuse Rear $14.95 13 CR2032 x 2 67 6 10 6 4 www.southcottcycles.com.au Batteries inconvenient to replace
57 Exposure Lights Flare $79.00 44 CR123A Lithium 53 5 8 10 2 1800 228 229, [email protected] Batteries inconvenient to replace
50 Planet bike Spok $19.95 14 CR2032 x 1 52 5 8 4 2 0416 257 985, [email protected] No seal, leaked; batteries inconvenient to replace
/ 100 grams / 100 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10

Dynamo front
Overall rating Brand RRP Weight* Batteries Standlight Visibility Useability Durability Waterproofness Value for money Notes
72 Gazelle Medeo Plus Fenderlight $1,699.00 not applicable 2 56 10 9 9 10 www.gazellebicycles.com.au Light integrated into mudguard; $1699 for whole bike
66 Supernova E3 Pro Glare-free $349.95 172 not applicable 5 55 8 8 10 7 www.apollobikes.com/
66 Schmidt Edelux $299.00 130 not applicable 5 53 8 8 10 8 www.stkildacycles.com.au
65 Busch and Muller IQ-Fly $149.00 71 not applicable 5 53 8 7 9 9 www.stkildacycles.com.au
59 Busch and Muller IQ-Cyo $229.00 99 not applicable 5 57 8 8 4 5 www.stkildacycles.com.au Poor water resistance
57 Busch and Muller Oval Senso Plus $109.00 138 not applicable 5 49 6 6 8 7 www.stkildacycles.com.au
42 Reelight SL620 power back up $76.95 133 not applicable 3 28 6 6 10 3 0415 443 311, [email protected]
Dynamo rear
63 Supernova E3 tail seat-post mount $129.95 27 not applicable 4 50 8 8 10 7 www.apollobikes.com/
54 Busch and Muller Seculite Plus $65.00 52 not applicable 5 46 5 5 10 6 www.stkildacycles.com.au
49 Reelight SL620 power back up $76.95 133 not applicable 3 40 6 6 10 3 0415 443 311, [email protected]
42 Busch and Muller D-Toplight XS plus $69.00 66 not applicable 5 41 5 4 4 4 www.stkildacycles.com.au Poor water resistance
/ 100 "grams
* Plus dynamo" minutes / 100 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10

High-powered front
Overall rating Brand RRP Weight Batteries Burn time Visibility Useability Durability Waterproofness Value for money Notes
85 Literover Trail Blazer $199.00 318 Lithium; mains power rechargable 3 84 9 7 10 9 literover.com.au Currently only for sale in shops in Melbourne
82 Ay-Up Twin Sport $264.00 184 Lithium Polymer; mains power rechargable 12 80 7 9 10 8 www.ayup-lights.com
73 NiteRider Mi-Newt.250 $299.99 192 Lithium Ion; USB or mains power rechargable 4.5 64 9 9 10 7 02 4560 1200, [email protected]
73 Cygo-Lite Trion 600 $449.00 257 Lithium Ion; mains power rechargable 12 67 8 9 10 6 www.bikecorp.com.au
72 Niteflux Commuter 6 $199.00 267 Lithium Ion; USB rechargable 6 67 5 9 10 8 www.niteflux.com
69 BBB Highpower $279.95 230 Lithium Ion; mains power rechargable 5 63 8 8 10 6 1800 808 181, www.bikesportz.com.au
69 Cygo-Lite Expilion $199.00 159 Lithium Ion; USB or mains power rechargable 10 62 7 8 10 7 www.bikecorp.com.au
67 Exposure Lights Joystick $320.00 205 Lithium Ion; USB or mains power rechargable 24 61 8 9 8 5 1800 228 229, [email protected]
66 Exposure Lights Diablo $450.00 256 Lithium Ion; USB or mains power rechargable 10 62 8 9 8 4 1800 228 229, [email protected]
High-powered rear
77 Ay-Up Twin Sport with red caps $264.00 199 Lithium Polymer; mains power rechargable 12 71 7 9 10 8 www.ayup-lights.com
69 Literover Tail Gator $99.00 263 Lithium; mains power rechargable ~60 69 4 7 10 7 literover.com.au Gets too hot too quickly without sufficient airflow. Only for sale in shops in Melbourne
/ 100 grams hours / 100 / 10 / 10 / 10 / 10

Overall rating is the sum of Visibility ( / 10), Useability, Durability, Waterproofness and Value for money, with a 60% weighting on Visibility.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby elStado » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:49 pm

ajmit3 wrote:Lights test 2011 results table


I saw this, and although it isn't a bad guide I noticed that they missed quite a few major light models + brands and they also didn't show the lighting impact of the compact fronts.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby elStado » Sun Apr 17, 2011 5:56 pm

What's a good light that is easy to remove? I've been looking at the Ay-Ups but realised you directly fix them to your bike.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby wombatK » Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:35 pm

elStado wrote:What's a good light that is easy to remove? I've been looking at the Ay-Ups but realised you directly fix them to your bike.

The Ayup mount can be easily undone to allow removal of the lights from the handlebars or helmet. If you mount them on your helmet, you'll probably not need to remove them.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby elStado » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:44 pm

wombatK wrote:
elStado wrote:What's a good light that is easy to remove? I've been looking at the Ay-Ups but realised you directly fix them to your bike.

The Ayup mount can be easily undone to allow removal of the lights from the handlebars or helmet. If you mount them on your helmet, you'll probably not need to remove them.


Howe easily? I ride to Uni most days and of course I wouldn't leave them attached. Will be having to remove and attach them a few times a day.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby high_tea » Sun Apr 17, 2011 7:46 pm

wombatK wrote:
il padrone wrote:The night cycling future ??

Anyone who thinks that the boy with a toy that has most lumens wins needs to think again...

Rule 219
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

Note 1. Driver’s vehicle is defined in the Dictionary, and road user is defined in rule 14.
Note 2. Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of drive in the Dictionary.

There is a clear cut obligation to not dazzle other road users. A bicycle is a vehicle and a rider is a driver. And road user includes
pedestrians and other cyclists.

Even 900 lumen lights and Ayups would dazzle other road users if not aimed carefully toward the ground. A 5000 lumen light is going to bounce off so much that dazzling would be hard to avoid. Even a 1400 lumen LED torch is close to the output of a typical H1 car headlight, and would need to have the shaped reflector treatment and lens that car headlights have to avoid dazzling other road users and be legal.

But of course, you knew that, didn't you il padrone :)


Ah, but see s214:

Division 1 Lights on vehicles (except bicycles, animals and animal-drawn vehicles)

214 Division does not apply to riders of bicycles, animals or animal-drawn vehicles

This Division does not apply to the rider of a bicycle, animal or animal-drawn vehicle.

Note 1. Bicycle is defined in the Dictionary.

Note 2. The rules for using lights when riding a bicycle or an animal-drawn vehicle at night, or in hazardous weather conditions, are:

• for riders of bicycles—rule 259

• for riders of animal-drawn vehicles—rule 223.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby apsilon » Sun Apr 17, 2011 8:48 pm

Just had a play at one of the local ovals and thought someone might be interested.

Yellow line denotes 100m

My old NightFlux Vision Stick 10w Halogen. 1 hour run time
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My new 10w LED (still playing with mouting options as it's not meant for a bicycle so own't mention brand yet). Aimed a lot more downward due to it's wide angle. Same LED is available in a 20deg and might be a better choice, this one is 40deg and possibly better suited to offroad. 3.5 hour run time
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For good measure a Tioga 5 LED blinky on solid
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Sorry about the blurry pics. Not easy to hold a light and camera at the same time. Camera was on manual so exposure and apeture the same for each shot.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby il padrone » Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:52 am

wombatK wrote:
il padrone wrote:The night cycling future ??

Anyone who thinks that the boy with a toy that has most lumens wins needs to think again...

Rule 219
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.

......But of course, you knew that, didn't you il padrone :)

Well, yes. That was sort of my point in posting about this ludicrous torch. Some people on here seem to be stuck well into a lumens arms race :roll:
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby twizzle » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:04 am

elStado wrote:
wombatK wrote:
elStado wrote:What's a good light that is easy to remove? I've been looking at the Ay-Ups but realised you directly fix them to your bike.

The Ayup mount can be easily undone to allow removal of the lights from the handlebars or helmet. If you mount them on your helmet, you'll probably not need to remove them.


Howe easily? I ride to Uni most days and of course I wouldn't leave them attached. Will be having to remove and attach them a few times a day.


You just unclip the rubber strap that holds the light head to the bracket.
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Show me THE light!

Postby queequeg » Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:19 am

wombatK wrote:Anyone who thinks that the boy with a toy that has most lumens wins needs to think again...

Rule 219
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to or in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to dazzle, another road user.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

Note 1. Driver’s vehicle is defined in the Dictionary, and road user is defined in rule 14.
Note 2. Driver includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of drive in the Dictionary.

There is a clear cut obligation to not dazzle other road users. A bicycle is a vehicle and a rider is a driver. And road user includes
pedestrians and other cyclists.



The entire section in the legislation on lights specifically excludes bicycles. If you read the opening comments for Part 13 you will see that none of the lighting rules apply to bicycles or cyclists. It even refers you to the specific rule for lighting requirements on a bicycle (Rule 259)

Part 13 Lights and warning devices

Division 1 Lights on vehicles (except bicycles, animals and animal-drawn vehicles)

214 Division does not apply to riders of bicycles, animals or animal-drawn vehicles

This Division does not apply to the rider of a bicycle, animal or animal-drawn vehicle.

Note 1. Bicycle is defined in the Dictionary.

Note 2. The rules for using lights when riding a bicycle or an animal-drawn vehicle at night, or in hazardous weather conditions, are:

• for riders of bicycles—rule 259

• for riders of animal-drawn vehicles—rule 223.

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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby The Walrus » Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:06 pm

elStado wrote:
wombatK wrote:
elStado wrote:What's a good light that is easy to remove? I've been looking at the Ay-Ups but realised you directly fix them to your bike.

The Ayup mount can be easily undone to allow removal of the lights from the handlebars or helmet. If you mount them on your helmet, you'll probably not need to remove them.


Howe easily? I ride to Uni most days and of course I wouldn't leave them attached. Will be having to remove and attach them a few times a day.


Along with all my other demands I'm also interested in this question...along with many others!

Thanks to an earlier post I saw mentioned Exposure Lights and have looked up their web site. It seems to be a rechargeable light that doesn't have the hassles of batteries being attached and so on, I assume its built in as part of the unit. You just attach it to your handlebars and off you go...different levels of brightness available depending on what you need and what you are prepared to pay.

Anyone know anymore? www.exposurelights.com
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby trailgumby » Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:10 pm

Option B is to just go helmet mounted maybe for both pairs of Ayup emitters, and just take the helmet with you. No stress then about removing and replacing lights and batteries for fear of theft.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby The Walrus » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:33 pm

Has anyone had any experience with Niteflux lights?

They are Aussie made and some of them are self contained (like the Exposure lights). They also offer a 1 year warranty and (for a price) can extend that to 3 years, that tells me they have some degree of confidence in the product!

Exposure lights are my first choice but I'm trying to find an Aussie made product that compares. I like to try and support Aussie made when I can! Ay Ups are great with a great reputation but I don't like the fitting mechanism or the fact that you have to have cables and batteries attached, the contained system that attaches easily is my top choice, like Exposure and I don't mind paying the price for quality.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby apsilon » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:29 am

The Walrus wrote:Has anyone had any experience with Niteflux lights?


My first pic above is my approx 6 year old Niteflux VisonStick 10w halogen. No idea what they're new LED lights are like but they'd be worth having a look at if my old one is anything to go by.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby The Walrus » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:54 am

Hi apsilon

Thanks for that. With regards to your experiment post in this thread I dont think you actually revealed the light you were testing, unless I missed it?
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby apsilon » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:04 pm

The Walrus wrote:Hi apsilon

Thanks for that. With regards to your experiment post in this thread I dont think you actually revealed the light you were testing, unless I missed it?


I haven't had time to find a way of mounting it (at least the battery pack) that I'm 100% happy with so hadn't said anything but it's a Vision X Solstice Solo Prime 40deg LED. The 20deg version may be better for a road bicycle, at least for oncoming road users.
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Re: Show me THE light!

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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby ldrcycles » Fri Apr 29, 2011 7:59 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Super-Bright-56- ... 23105336b5

THIS is what you need. The beam of this is fantastic, the road in front is daylight, rather than 900 lumen 2km down the road (yes im exaggerating a little, but i find a really wide flood beam to be the best). And for the price!? Obviously being so cheap, it has a flaw, NOT in the mechanicals (works really well, and not just one, i've bought 4 and they all worked), the problem is the mount, it is CRAZY flimsy. Easy fix though, bolt it on the bars and then wrap the hell out of it with duct tape (McGuyver would be proud lol). I've been using one for over a year now with no problems, uses 4 AAs that last weeks.

Yes having to duct tape it on is inconvenient (i leave it on all the time though), but i think $15/year including batteries is the winner so far? :-)
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby elStado » Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:18 pm

ldrcycles wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Super-Bright-56-LED-Bicycle-Torch-Head-Light-Bike-Lamp-/150597744309?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Accessories&hash=item23105336b5

THIS is what you need. The beam of this is fantastic, the road in front is daylight, rather than 900 lumen 2km down the road (yes im exaggerating a little, but i find a really wide flood beam to be the best). And for the price!? Obviously being so cheap, it has a flaw, NOT in the mechanicals (works really well, and not just one, i've bought 4 and they all worked), the problem is the mount, it is CRAZY flimsy. Easy fix though, bolt it on the bars and then wrap the hell out of it with duct tape (McGuyver would be proud lol). I've been using one for over a year now with no problems, uses 4 AAs that last weeks.

Yes having to duct tape it on is inconvenient (i leave it on all the time though), but i think $15/year including batteries is the winner so far? :-)


Looks pretty ugly, heavy and not water resistant though. 56x LEDs would be pretty bright.
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby The Walrus » Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:11 pm

apsilon wrote:
The Walrus wrote:Hi apsilon

Thanks for that. With regards to your experiment post in this thread I dont think you actually revealed the light you were testing, unless I missed it?


I haven't had time to find a way of mounting it (at least the battery pack) that I'm 100% happy with so hadn't said anything but it's a Vision X Solstice Solo Prime 40deg LED. The 20deg version may be better for a road bicycle, at least for oncoming road users.


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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby ldrcycles » Sat Apr 30, 2011 3:58 pm

elStado wrote:
ldrcycles wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Super-Bright-56-LED-Bicycle-Torch-Head-Light-Bike-Lamp-/150597744309?pt=AU_Sport_Cycling_Accessories&hash=item23105336b5

THIS is what you need. The beam of this is fantastic, the road in front is daylight, rather than 900 lumen 2km down the road (yes im exaggerating a little, but i find a really wide flood beam to be the best). And for the price!? Obviously being so cheap, it has a flaw, NOT in the mechanicals (works really well, and not just one, i've bought 4 and they all worked), the problem is the mount, it is CRAZY flimsy. Easy fix though, bolt it on the bars and then wrap the hell out of it with duct tape (McGuyver would be proud lol). I've been using one for over a year now with no problems, uses 4 AAs that last weeks.

Yes having to duct tape it on is inconvenient (i leave it on all the time though), but i think $15/year including batteries is the winner so far? :-)


Looks pretty ugly, heavy and not water resistant though. 56x LEDs would be pretty bright.


I don't mind the looks, but yes it is a lot of weight (especially in the batteries), i've used them in heavy rain with no worries though. Over the last couple of months i've had to mow the lawn after dark and actually put one of these lights on the push mower handle, works really well :-).
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Re: Show me THE light!

Postby apsilon » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:27 pm

The Walrus wrote:http://www.adventure-spec.com/shop/visionx-solstice-solo-helmet-handlebar-flat-mount-kit-motorcycle-dirt-bike-helmet-light-mountainbike-mtb-off-road-adventure-trail/prod_208.html


Mounting the light isn't an issue, it's the battery pack that's a challenge. I've come up with a couple of options but would like to come up with something that's more generic.
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