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Whatâ€™s the penalty for hitting and subsequently killing a pedestrian whom steps out onto the road, sans crossing, if the vehicle is a car?
2012 Oppy A4
It's all going to depend on the circumstances and who was acting reasonably. The penalty is not going to be much different for a car driver or a cyclist - now that they've introduced a culpable riding offence at least (here in Vic)
Riding bikes in traffic - what seems dangerous is usually safe; what seems safe is often more dangerous.
Lady Cyclist... I'm not getting the impression this was a hulking brute thundering past the tram. Elderly could mean many things - old people can be pretty spry. My dad is 65 and he'd outrun 90% of this forum (I'm not even kidding).
Ultimately, the elderly lady needed to watch just as much the cyclist should have been careful riding past. It takes two to tango, even if one is responsible for everything on the dancefloor.
i feel like that muslim guy who thinks after every terrorist attack.. "please don't let it be a muslim.. please don't let it be a muslim.."
imagine the coverage if the rider was covered in lycra..
There is no safety zone there so the rules are clearly for a normal tram stop. The rule regarding a tram at a stop is fairly simple: if the tram has the doors open you cannot pass (think of it like a stop sign), if the doors are closed you can only pass if no-one is attempting to get on or off the tram (think of it like a give way sign). A few problems do arise: bikes (I do this so I ain't judging) will often try and out brake the tram to get in front, as long as the tram is moving this is perfectly legal. However, the other problem is pedestrians walking out to the tram as it comes to a halt. If both happen at once you can see the issue. I had a guy try and hit me with an umbrealla a couple of months ago in Swanston St as I went in front of a tram coming to a halt, the tram was moving at the time. I let him know he was in the wrong but I don't think he was convinced, maybe I should have got off and had a word.
This is a tragedy but we all need to be careful around tram stops. I used to drive trams and the biggest issue is cars and bikes passing stationary trams, at stops, with the doors open. It happens all the time and anyone who passes a tram at a stop when the doors are open should be fined heavily. It was only a couple of years ago that the laws were relaxed, it used to be the case that you were not allowed to pass a stationary tram at a tram stop, didn't matter if the doors were shut and no-one was in sight. I prefered the old law, very simple and very clear.
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The victim here is a 70yo lady and I doubt she'd be one who'll jump off or on a moving tram. Not a likely scenario in this case.
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Only in the media. No change here.
Yeah.. but people do just step of the curb and walk out to an approaching tram. THey do it in front of cars and trucks. And its actually the point at which its easiest to pass a tram.. no parked cars near the intersection (trams are just outside the dooring zone as it happens) You dont have to stop until the tram is stopped..and they stop fairly slowly. On the other hand the modern ones accelerate pretty fast. So its actually a pretty common place to overtake.. fairly often their are no passengers waiting.
Not saying thats what happened... not saying its necessary an excuse. But its good for a couple of near misses a month.. or annoying stops for a tram you would have been past,,, and a comment on brains directed at the ped. its good for a few hundred injuries to peds by cars a year. Hardly ever bad because no one is going that fast and even the stupidest motorists and cyclists expect someone to step out. I,ve never hit one but I have stopped a foot away from em plenty of times.. often not even getting a glance.
the ped' was an older woman, so its not hard to imagine that even a slow speed collision has the potential to cause significant injuries. I'm just glad we do not have trams to contend with in Brisbane.[/quote]
No , I suppose all the people who catch trams should be driving cars . Idiotic
the australian road rule (163) actually says:
i'd be careful about interpreting that in the way you have. it's possible that the tram is stopping when it starts slowing down.
in any case, it only applies if you are behind the tram. although it's a bit unclear when that applies, it certainly doesn't if you are alongside or in front of it.
let others be the judge of the quality of your posts
WTH does that mean? CLearly I am talking about when the rider is beside the tram.. if the tram starts slowing you don't have to. (Yes given all the other caveats about due care) If you are beside it and it stops then you have to stop. At some point its nearly stopped.. you aint getting past it before it stops and you need to stop too. BUT just because the tram starts to brake and a tram stop is there does not mean the person alongside has to brake. THats how I and every one else in Melbourne and Bendigo interprets the law. Problem?
easy tiger. i was talking about if you were behind the tram.
Beached as bro..
No , I suppose all the people who catch trams should be driving cars . Idiotic[/quote]
let others be the judge of the quality of your posts[/quote]
Beached as bro..[/quote]
Sorry Oxford , I may have mis interpreted your post .
As for your fanboy defenders , I did'nt realise you had to post acres of drivel to have a voice
Nah.. I just couldnt see the connection. We all know that peds step out for trams. Those of us in Melb know why its an issue, usually annoying and not dangerous but.... we can see a way that accident could arise where the (woman) cyclist was not at fault.
Especially perhaps those of us who pretty often overtake trams. who also understand that being just behind a tram.. with the many cars desperate to overtake it is a bloody dangerous place to be. Probably the most dangerous place to be.. it makes being outside a private school at 9:am look not so bad. In front of a tram when cars are all stuck behind it unable to overtake because of parked cars is actually a really safe place to be, especially for cyclists who can average tram speeds or above. So fastish cyclists do want to get around trams where they can. So do cars trucks and motorcycles for that matter, but it is easier on a bicycle.
Which is not to say that that is what happened.. but that's where I was going
i just take the lane there - leave them no ability to squeeze past.
Nah you don't have to post heaps.. you just need to post something relevant, interesting.. importantly though, it should be coherent.
Saw footage on the news this morning as I was cooling down from my commute to work (I rock). The bike in question was a black K-Mart Special. Thatâ€™s not me being a bike snob either.
2012 Oppy A4
... and relevant.
Sorry, mr whale, we're having trouble making the logical leap between Oxford commenting on how seemingly low impact levels can have disproportionate consequences for the elderly, and your comment sarcastically proposing that tram users should be in cars instead.
Care to enlighten us? 'Cos we're not gettin' it.
When all else fails, persistence prevails -- Lew Hollander
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2012 Oppy A4
So today.. going into town on the new bike lane on Swanson St (Melb)
Ped goes to cross it in front of me.. texting.. changes his mind.. goes back and then changes his mind again ambles straight down the bike lane. I roll up behind him.. breath in deeply and yell "BOOO".
THe man had reflexes that could see him buried one day. His jump was a good 1.5 seconds later . I did get a laugh from the many spectators.
SO much meat wasted on so few neurons.
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