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How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby lump_a_charcoal » Mon Jan 30, 2012 9:07 am

Hi all - First post, not sure if it is in the correct section...

I have just got back into cycling, but have never really done any road cycling. It was always MTB, so I didn't ever experience many slow moving objects, and even if I did, they would hear me coming.

I often cycle at the Penrith Regatta Centre, which will have to do until my road nerves are 100%.

Every time without fail, I come across a pair of slow cyclers shoulder to shoulder, a pair of derby girls (no complaints there), or dog walkers.

The first time I rode there, I was overtaken by two really fast guys. Up ahead were two slower ones - These fast guys called out something (magical maybe), and the others moved over to let the past.

My question is, what is the polite way of asking people to move over while I pass, and what would these guys have called out? It was a single word - Left maybe, didn't hear.

I don't want to have to fit a bell.....


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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:25 am

"Bikes back" (to pedestrians), "Passing" or "Passing, right" usually does the trick.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby WestcoastPete » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:34 am

Ding ding!
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:42 am

WestcoastPete wrote:Ding ding!

And if they don't move over, a blast from that airhorn I see on your handlebars Pete? :lol:
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby il padrone » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:09 am

They probably called "passing" ?? :idea:
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby jet-ski » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:50 am

It always makes me giggle when people say 'ding ding' - I've tried it before too and it works quite well. I do prefer my bell though. My airhorn is mainly used on taxis who try to turn in front of me.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby uncle arthur » Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:59 am

As others have said, "Passing" or "Bike Back" are pretty standard.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby damhooligan » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:26 pm

lump_a_charcoal wrote:I don't want to have to fit a bell.....



I dont want to be an ass, but that is not a choice you can make, as it is required by law to have one !

I find that the bell is very effective in doing just that, as the bell is a sound that is assosiated with bikes,
so if ones hears the bell, they know straight away its a bike. 8)
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby Oxford » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:33 pm

don't assume they've either heard you and/or understood. a ringing bell is universal and unmistakable, a voice call can be not heard or the riders may not even know what you are saying, don't assume everyone speaks English. aside from anything a bell is necessary for roadworthiness, may as well use it if you have to have it.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby AndrewBurns » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:47 pm

If it's a bike I'll call out "Passing", if it's pedestrians I'll yell out "ring ring"
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby trailgumby » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:53 pm

Hello, who's speaking please? :mrgreen:
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How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:57 pm

damhooligan wrote:I find that the bell is very effective in doing just that, as the bell is a sound that is assosiated with bikes,
so if ones hears the bell, they know straight away its a bike. 8)

Seems to me that a high proportion of pedestrians cannot hear a bell - either because they are using earphones, or because they are suffering hearing degradation like I am and cannot hear high frequency sounds. Both are more likely to hear a clear, strong call.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby WestcoastPete » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:03 pm

RonK wrote:
damhooligan wrote:I find that the bell is very effective in doing just that, as the bell is a sound that is assosiated with bikes,
so if ones hears the bell, they know straight away its a bike. 8)

Seems to me that a high proportion of pedestrians cannot hear a bell - either because they are using earphones, or because they are suffering hearing degradation like I am and cannot hear high frequency sounds. Both are more likely to hear a clear, strong call.


Unless they're deaf.
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How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:10 pm

WestcoastPete wrote:
RonK wrote:
damhooligan wrote:I find that the bell is very effective in doing just that, as the bell is a sound that is assosiated with bikes,
so if ones hears the bell, they know straight away its a bike. 8)

Seems to me that a high proportion of pedestrians cannot hear a bell - either because they are using earphones, or because they are suffering hearing degradation like I am and cannot hear high frequency sounds. Both are more likely to hear a clear, strong call.


Unless they're deaf.

Hearing degradation - isn't that what I said Pete?
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby PawPaw » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:26 pm

People out walking, especially together, are really good at tuning out everything but their own thoughts and the yabber between themselves.
I've even done it myself.
If you are going to yell, err on the up side, and shout from further back.
When I ring my bell, I always ring it with intent to be heard...loudly...2 rings for solo walkers; and 3-4 fast rings for more than 1. Even with 4 rings, groups of walkers still don't necessarily hear it, or respond.
If someone is walking or riding a pretty straight line to the left, I often don't ring if doing under 27kph.
If people are wearing ipods, it's probably a lost cause.

Usually in a group of 'x' bikes, I might ring several times or yell "x bikes".
Sometimes when riding solo I yell "3 bikes" especially at people who seem particularly ignorant they are on a shared pathway. Good to keep them guessing. :D
I find ignorance on shared pathways just as horrible in up market vs low brow burbs. Some toffs like blue rinse ladies around New Farm, resent bikes being on their paths, and always yell out 'ring your bell', even when you did. Sometimes, when I haven't rung my bell, I reply "I did ring it. get a hearing aid".
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Another time when I was having coffee at the very crowded Garage, some cyclists were trying to get past these teen girl pedestrians who were typically engrossed in themselves and their inane conversation, and blocking the exit for the cyclists. They were trying to get the girl's attention but no response.
As I'd just wolfed down a few pastries from next door, I had an empty brown paper bag. Being up for some sport I whispered to my mates the game, then blew the bag up. and smacked it as hard as I could. BANG!!!!. the sound echo'ed and magnified in that space...my mates and I simultaneously dropped to the ground pretending it was a gun shot or something. These girls screamed, ran, cowered.... basically didn't know what to do..... The guys on the bikes trying to pass saw it all ..... and plssed themselves, as did everyone wearing lycra. Some people just haven't been brought up to realize it is not 'all about me'...and a few lessons in common courtesy and external awareness in crowded spaces might save your life one day.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby uncle arthur » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:32 pm

RonK wrote:
damhooligan wrote:I find that the bell is very effective in doing just that, as the bell is a sound that is assosiated with bikes,
so if ones hears the bell, they know straight away its a bike. 8)

Seems to me that a high proportion of pedestrians cannot hear a bell - either because they are using earphones, or because they are suffering hearing degradation like I am and cannot hear high frequency sounds. Both are more likely to hear a clear, strong call.


This would take care of those high frequency issues.....

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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby Baldy » Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:40 pm

Mandatory Bell Laws[ MBL's] are stopping people riding bikes in this country. Which then makes riding a bike more dangerous for us all. Its MHL's first commandment. Anyway, I once rang my bell and nothing happened, so I obviously dont need them all the time. I demand the right to choose when to carry a bell on my bike. :mrgreen:


Oh yeah, I call out...rider....everyone on the cycleway I use has been fine with it, most say thanks and I always thank them. Its a mtb thing, so you can use it everywhere.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby Ozkaban » Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:11 pm

slow down, call 'passing', then thanks as I pass. only adds a second to your ride.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby GraemeL » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:01 am

Ozkaban wrote:slow down, call 'passing', then thanks as I pass. only adds a second to your ride.


+1 I always thank those that move so I can pass.

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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby cp123 » Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:55 pm

damhooligan wrote:[I dont want to be an ass, but that is not a choice you can make, as it is required by law to have one !





I thought you had to be an audible warning device - whether that be a bell, horn, any gadget that plays the mexican hat dance. Certainly where I am anyway. So its not law to must have a bell.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:02 pm

Yes, but the law does specify 'device'. Despite what many people try to assert, your voice will not fill this description, and if taken before a magistrate...... well, you'll be paying.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby damhooligan » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:56 pm

cp123 wrote:I thought


Mmm, you thought wrong... :wink:
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby martinjs » Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:19 pm

Do what all good road users do, wait until it is safe to pass and do it!
It's not rocket science!!.

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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby Ross » Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:02 am

I find a bell most effective when riding on shared paths. A gentle ding ding when approaching about 50m away and a louder DING as you get closer if they don't move the first time. 99% of people react favourably when they hear the bell. Usually the only people that don't move are peoiple with iPods that can't hear you.

I find it can cause confusion if you call out passing on right or similar, some people don't know the left from the right and move the wrong way.
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Re: How to politely ask others to allow me to pass?

Postby thomashouseman » Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:22 am

Baldy wrote:Mandatory Bell Laws[ MBL's] are stopping people riding bikes in this country. Which then makes riding a bike more dangerous for us all. Its MHL's first commandment. Anyway, I once rang my bell and nothing happened, so I obviously dont need them all the time. I demand the right to choose when to carry a bell on my bike. :mrgreen:


Oh yeah, I call out...rider....everyone on the cycleway I use has been fine with it, most say thanks and I always thank them. Its a mtb thing, so you can use it everywhere.


Don't make us start a "Mandatory Bell Laws" thread Baldy! Soon we'll have a "Mandatory White or Silver Mudguard only in WA" thread if this keeps up! :P
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