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"Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby WestcoastPete » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:15 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/executive-styl ... 1tmzr.html

I've got to say that that road user or abuser campaign has rubbed off on me. Maybe I was already getting to the stage, but I'm feeling less motivated to get angry and confront people who do the wrong thing. If I get a chance I will, but I'll be polite about it and I'll only do it if it's safe. The last couple of times I've had a crack at someone who passed too closely I felt really self conscious about it, think that the other road users around me just thought I was being a duck instead of being on my side.

I must be growing up. I like the change though. I've got better things to do than ride along angry and being vindictive - I'm on a bike!
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Postby RonK » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:26 pm

WestcoastPete wrote:Maybe I was already getting to the stage, but I'm feeling less motivated to get angry and confront people who do the wrong thing. If I get a chance I will, but I'll be polite about it and I'll only do it if it's safe.

I must be growing up. I like the change though. I've got better things to do than ride along angry and being vindictive - I'm on a bike!

Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated. And yet I rarely experience issues with motorists, whom I find for the most part patient and courteous. Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...
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"Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby MREJ » Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:37 pm

I remember a surfer I used to know. He was just about the best surfer in our area - wonderfully talented. But he wasn't always likeable. One day, when the surf was pretty nice and you'd think anyone lucky enough to be there would be revelling in the sheer pleasure of being able to do such a thing, I was amazed to see him swearing and smashing the water every time something didn't go his way, eg, he fluffed a move or missed a wave. Had me wondering that if that's how he felt, why did he stay out there?

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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Oxford » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:44 pm

RonK wrote:
WestcoastPete wrote:Maybe I was already getting to the stage, but I'm feeling less motivated to get angry and confront people who do the wrong thing. If I get a chance I will, but I'll be polite about it and I'll only do it if it's safe.

I must be growing up. I like the change though. I've got better things to do than ride along angry and being vindictive - I'm on a bike!

Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated. And yet I rarely experience issues with motorists, whom I find for the most part patient and courteous. Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...

some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.

personally having been rear ended, hospitalised and will probably have life long spinal issues to contend with I reserve the right to get upset when someone decides to play russian roulette with my life.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby waramatt » Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:47 pm

RonK and MREJ, we need more citizens like you. I'm usually fairly placid, but lost my cool on Wednesday when a guy was walking through a local reserve with his cattle dog. Unfortunately (for me) the dog was 200 metres behind its owner doing circles around my bike. Perhaps I looked like a sheep. :lol: It didn't bite me. After being rounded up a second time, I looked around and saw a human. Assuming (correctly) that he was the dog's owner, I firmly suggested he might consider either watching his dog more closely or preferrably walking it on a lead. :oops: I may or may not have dropped an F-bomb or two. :evil: Despite this, I think I achieved the higher moral ground as the owner apologised as I rode past him.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby RonK » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:08 pm

Oxford wrote:some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.

personally having been rear ended, hospitalised and will probably have life long spinal issues to contend with I reserve the right to get upset when someone decides to play russian roulette with my life.

Well, I can sympathize with that, having been rear-ended by a drunk driver myself. Fortunately I suffered no serious long-term injuries, but I know how it feels to be pitched over the handlebars and tumbled down the road expecting the car wheels to run over me. Even so, motorists rarely bother me.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Oxford » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:32 pm

RonK wrote:
Oxford wrote:some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.

personally having been rear ended, hospitalised and will probably have life long spinal issues to contend with I reserve the right to get upset when someone decides to play russian roulette with my life.

Well, I can sympathize with that, having been rear-ended by a drunk driver myself. Fortunately I suffered no serious long-term injuries, but I know how it feels to be pitched over the handlebars and tumbled down the road expecting the car wheels to run over me. Even so, motorists rarely bother me.

yeah, you'd think with flouro everything, 3 flashing rear lights and reflective wrist and ankle bands you'd be safe. apparently not.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:48 pm

Angry? I dunno... :?

By my totally non scientific reckoning, I'd say I spend at least 98% of my ride time either in a state of blissful oneness with all of creation or am desperately trying to stuff my lungs back into my chest. Dills rarely upset my equilibrium but those of potentially murderous intent will often get a rise. I don't take well to threats.
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"Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby find_bruce » Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:31 pm

Had an interesting "discussion" with a driver tonight. Usual "I ride a bike but you guys are always running red lights" which I thought was a curious observation to the 20 or so cyclists stopped at the red light.

I thought I would try engaging him in pleasant & mild conversation.

Funny thing was each time he failed to get a rise out of more, the louder & more expletive laden his ranting got. Apparently he has a 2 tonne car but we don't respect him.

Lights turned green, but motorist was unable to turn left as the stationary line of cars ahead hadn't moved.

Sure I didn't make a new friend, but I rode home happy & I don't think he could say the same.

Maybe next time I will ask why he is so angry.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby eeksll » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:42 pm

I drove to work today, probably the first time in a year cause I didn't have enough time to commute everywhere by bike after work.

I can tell you I was starting to get rather angry and impatient having to wait in all the f-ing traffic :evil:
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Aushiker » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:56 pm

Oxford wrote:some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.


I agree. Would love to live in this world of such bliss ... where attitude apparently makes trucks pass safely and all wonder of things happen....

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Postby Wayfarer » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:57 pm

eeksll wrote:I drove to work today, probably the first time in a year cause I didn't have enough time to commute everywhere by bike after work.

I can tell you I was starting to get rather angry and impatient having to wait in all the f-ing traffic :evil:

You were not stuck in traffic. You were traffic.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:01 am

WestcoastPete wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-are-cyclists-so-angry-20120222-1tmzr.html


Thanks for sharing. I am trying to learn to leave the camera to do the talking now days ... I get it right sometimes but I do tend to react when someone tries to kill me ... :oops:

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Postby RonK » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:34 am

Aushiker wrote:
Oxford wrote:some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.



I agree. Would love to live in this world of such bliss ... where attitude apparently makes trucks pass safely and all wonder of things happen....
Well, perhaps you should read my reply to that post before making half-smart comments. I have been rear-ended by a drunk driver in similar circumstances.
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Oxford » Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:37 am

Aushiker wrote:
WestcoastPete wrote:http://www.theage.com.au/executive-style/fitness/blogs/on-your-bike/why-are-cyclists-so-angry-20120222-1tmzr.html


Thanks for sharing. I am trying to learn to leave the camera to do the talking now days ... I get it right sometimes but I do tend to react when someone tries to kill me ... :oops:

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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby greyhoundtom » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:00 am

In daily life, particularly with family, you often have to take a deep breath and let it slide.

Out on the road when someone disturbs your equilibrium by threatening your safety by their uncaring or dangerous behaviour, it good to get it off your chest and do a bit of venting instead of bottling it up and letting it disturb the rest of your ride. :evil:

Angry cyclist?

Only if you upset me and then only for about 30 seconds. :D
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 8:57 am

RonK wrote:
Aushiker wrote:
Oxford wrote:some people are just fortunate, whether route, time of day, whatever. count your blessings, I hope you never come to grief.



I agree. Would love to live in this world of such bliss ... where attitude apparently makes trucks pass safely and all wonder of things happen....
Well, perhaps you should read my reply to that post before making half-smart comments. I have been rear-ended by a drunk driver in similar circumstances.


I did ... Your comment was ...

Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated. And yet I rarely experience issues with motorists, whom I find for the most part patient and courteous. Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...


Are you now saying this is not your view?

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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby David_G » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:16 am

Wayfarer wrote:
eeksll wrote:I drove to work today, probably the first time in a year cause I didn't have enough time to commute everywhere by bike after work.

I can tell you I was starting to get rather angry and impatient having to wait in all the f-ing traffic :evil:

You were not stuck in traffic. You were traffic.


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Postby RonK » Fri Feb 24, 2012 9:42 am

[quote="AushikerI did ... Your comment was ...

Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated. And yet I rarely experience issues with motorists, whom I find for the most part patient and courteous. Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...


Are you now saying this is not your view?

Andrew[/quote]

Please don't try to twist my words. I said:
Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...

and that has nothing at all to do with making "trucks pass safely and all wonder of things happen.".
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby WestcoastPete » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:21 am

RonK wrote:Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated....


Maybe let it slide eh guys...
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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby Oxford » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:43 am

WestcoastPete wrote:
RonK wrote:Funny that - reading some of the threads here leaves me shaking my head at the amount of angst generated....


Maybe let it slide eh guys...

Why they are angry cyclists. :lol:
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Postby trailgumby » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:48 am

RonK wrote:Please don't try to twist my words. I said:
Yes, I do encounter the odd redneck or bogan from time to time, but they don't bother me much. I guess it must be my attitude...

and that has nothing at all to do with making "trucks pass safely and all wonder of things happen.".

With respect, you left yourself open to misinterpretation there. I gather you're saying that with your attitude, you dont get upset by it much, whereas it was easily interpreted as saying becasue of your attitude, things that might put you at risk don't happen to you much.

The reason Andrew has taken the latter understanding is that others have put the view that if things happen to you a lot, you must be doing something wrong or have "the wrong attitude" and your expression sounded a bit like that.

Let's all take a deep breath and count to ten - that's what the anger management counsellor I'm making the bogan's insurance comapny pay for tells me to do, and trite as it sounds, it helps take the heat out of the situation... but not as much as having a camera running and knowing that if the threat was real, you can do something about it later. :twisted:
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Re: Re:

Postby Aushiker » Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:59 am

trailgumby wrote:Let's all take a deep breath and count to ten - that's what the anger management counsellor I'm making the bogan's insurance comapny pay for tells me to do, and trite as it sounds, it helps take the heat out of the situation... but not as much as having a camera running and knowing that if the threat was real, you can do something about it later. :twisted:


Does going for a ride to do the shopping count :) Lots of fun at the shopping centre car park for sure :)

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Postby trailgumby » Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:15 am

Indeed :lol:

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Re: "Why are cyclists so angry" Article in The Age

Postby KonaCommuter » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:01 pm

:(


I am a motorist who gets frustrated by cyclists who please themselves as to which road rules they follow and which they don't.
Early the other morning I was parked on a quiet road and opened the door of my car only to almost hit a cyclist centimetres away from the door - when there were no cars on the road at that time. He then proceeded to loudly swear at me. I don't see why he was so close to my car???
My understanding was that if you use the road, use a lane on the road???
Maybe more education is required on all of this.
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Get’s told that she is 100% in the wrong. Has the legislation quoted to her and she responds


To whoever quoted the rta site, it also says this:
"Under NSW law, a bicycle is considered a vehicle and subject to the same road rules as other vehicles" - a car would have been travelling along a lane marking to get that close to me.
And whoever told me to look in my mirror - the cyclist would probably have not been visible as they were SPEEDING along.
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