Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersection

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Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersection

Postby WestcoastPete » Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:56 am

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Well I said that I wouldn't ride around being angry and vindictive, but if I had a chance to chat with someone about something they'd done to me, then I would. And I did.

I was riding into my work complex which has it's own legal and public road network, indicating to go left at an intersection (from the through road of a T-intersection to the adjoining road). Then a ute appears next to me, also indicating, and proceeds to overtake me on the corner with his back wheel level with me. The intersection is very tight and there was a car waiting to turn right. He came pretty close but it wasn't too bad, but I gave a shout anyway (haven't fitted a horn to this bike!). I was in the left wheel track of the lane approaching the turn.

Anyway, him and I were going to pretty much the same spot so I spotted him getting out of his ute and approached for a chat. Well he wasn't really interested, telling me how you shouldn't be on the road in his book etc blah blah, but I was calm and just tried to convey that overtaking anyone on a corner like that is unsafe.

My question is, is it? It's been happening to me a bit lately. A lot of the corners are quite wide and so I don't really think much of it, other than "you wouldn't do that to any other road user" and "you're looking right while I'm on your left in your blind spot, but yes, you're probably aware of me". But this corner was very tight. If he had have waited for me to be through it, it would've added about 5 seconds to his trip.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby AndrewBurns » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:14 am

It might anger idiots like him more but perhaps take the corner a lot wider? If you're right in the middle of the lane when you corner then it will be physically impossible for them to overtake you without running you over (though some people will do just that).
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby WestcoastPete » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:23 am

Yeah, I did think of that, and if I'm approaching a T-intersection from the road that intersects with the through road then I make a point of doing this. But in this situation, I wasn't too far right because most traffic continues straight through this intersection on the two lane road I was approaching it on. I usually stay left so that cars can get past me - not because I don't feel like I should be there or anything, more to be courteous.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby Oxford » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:55 am

but not so wide that they can undertake you, trust me its happened on both bikes and moto.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby Mulger bill » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:35 am

Lemme guess, he was wearing waaaaay oversize shiny shoes and had a bulbous red nose?

Agree with the general sentiments, give a clown room and they'll try to make a joke of your survival.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby eeksll » Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:56 am

yes its unsafe.

Similar situation is those turn left at any time lanes at traffic lights. Whole bunch of cars lined up and the cyclist sticks to the left and goes onto the main road (onto the cycle lane). It appears a easy merge, if the car turning left decides to cut close to the apex at the right/wrong time, the cyclist is going to be in trouble.

I this situation I always wait behind the first car, look and see if there is a steady stream of traffic coming before moving on.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby il padrone » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:28 pm

Unsafe, illegal.... and a prat to boot.

Always make sure you take plenty of space for your speedy corner. You shoulda been going way faster than a 4WD hulk, cornering on your bike, anyway.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby KonaCommuter » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:11 pm

WestcoastPete wrote:
Anyway, him and I were going to pretty much the same spot so I spotted him getting out of his ute and approached for a chat. Well he wasn't really interested, telling me how you shouldn't be on the road in his book etc blah blah, but I was calm and just tried to convey that overtaking anyone on a corner like that is unsafe.




It amuses me that some people don’t think it through. Like people who steal car parks. Dude, you just ticked someone off in your car, now you’re going to walk away and leave your car unattended whilst the other person seethes in anger? :roll:
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby myforwik » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:30 pm

The australian road rules requires that a driver turning left keep as far left as practical. This would seem to prohibit overtaking when making a left turn.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby eeksll » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:06 am

myforwik wrote:The australian road rules requires that a driver turning left keep as far left as practical. This would seem to prohibit overtaking when making a left turn.


Not really, if the cyclist stays as left as is practical, then there will be room (or perceived to be enough room) for a car to overtake on the outside. It would no be practical for the car to stay as left as possible since there is a bike there.

Anyways, to the OP I suggest either slowing down so you can stop. I would have stopped when the car was level with me. Would not have been a nice stop ... but I would never take on a car in that situation. Or take up more space, screw the courteous to other road users bit if it's going to put you in a more dangerous position, as you said it would only be for a brief period.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby hannos » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:42 am

I love intersections... /sarcasm off

I don't care who I annoy, when it comes to intersections the lane is mine, absolutely and fully mine. It's safer for everyone that way.

Ride wider next time to ensure noone can over take you on the corner.
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Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersection

Postby AndyTheMan » Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:11 pm

Just a question, did u indicate that u were turning left.

I sometimes dont give a hand signal that I'm turning left if there is a vehicle close behind me.

Tends to make them think I'm going straight on and hopefully the wont 'left hook' me....

If they do come up beside me I can be ready for their left movement and avoid them.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby Aushiker » Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:35 am

Here is your problem Pete. You didn't follow the advice of the Police Safety Council (1940's safety advice it seems) ... :D

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Yes I know it is a "right" turn equivalent.

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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby Oxford » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:30 pm

Aushiker wrote:Here is your problem Pete. You didn't follow the advice of the Police Safety Council (1940's safety advice it seems) ... :D

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Yes I know it is a "right" turn equivalent.

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so even in the 40's it was still the cyclists' fault? more things change the more they stay the same.
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby find_bruce » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:07 pm

I wonder how the ute driver would react if a motorbike pulled that same stunt
fictional ute driver wrote:I was driving into my work complex which has it's own legal and public road network, indicating to go left at an intersection (from the through road of a T-intersection to the adjoining road). Then some lunatic on a motorbike appears next to me, also indicating, and proceeds to overtake me on the corner with his back wheel level with me. He came pretty close but it wasn't too bad, but I ...

hit the horn and gave him a free and frank character assessment ??
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Re: Being overtaken when going around a corner at intersecti

Postby Oxford » Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:54 pm

find_bruce wrote:I wonder how the ute driver would react if a motorbike pulled that same stunt
fictional ute driver wrote:I was driving into my work complex which has it's own legal and public road network, indicating to go left at an intersection (from the through road of a T-intersection to the adjoining road). Then some lunatic on a motorbike appears next to me, also indicating, and proceeds to overtake me on the corner with his back wheel level with me. He came pretty close but it wasn't too bad, but I ...

hit the horn and gave him a free and frank character assessment ??

I know of a ute driver that regretted his actions towards a moto rider. I'm sure he will now treat moto riders with more respect in the future.
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