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Oh, there are plenty of examples of strict criminal liability. Most (all?) of the Road Rules, unlawful wounding in Queensland, etc etc. There's nothing new there. As this thread shows, however, that's not what the typical strict-liability-supporter has in mind. What they do have in mind is anyone's guess, which is kinda the problem.
Strict liability has a very specific meaning in Australian criminal law, and from what I can gather Automatically at Fault would be a better term to describe what is really required.
Beats me why. Consider dangerous driving. The hard bit to make out is the dangerousness, the fault element. Now, dangerous driving without a fault element doesn't make a lot of sense. Consider a hitting-a-vulnerable-road-user offence. You don't need a fault element for that one. You hit a VUR, you're gone (subject to defences of accident, mistake, etc). That's strict liability in the technical sense. It's a criminal law, so insurance companies can't go messing the normative effect up. It is, more or less, the criminal analogue of the Dutch (civil) law that everyone is ga-ga for (AFAIK nobody in the world has gone and done it - criminal strict liability for VUR offences - so here's Australia's shot at another world first!). Nice and simple. I've suggested this a few times and nobody has been able to explain why it's a bad idea (apart from being controversial, which is a problem with any VUR law you care to come up with.
Want another idea? Making injuring a VUR a circumstance of aggravation to breaches of the Road Rules. Sell it as a way to punish Lycra louts who mow pedestrians down.
But no, we have proposals that are much more vague and/or much more complicated, like a civil penalty regime (what, like for breaches of directors' duties? Why?) I can only speculate why.
Sounds like a damn good idea to me as it makes everyone that has behaved in a dangerous manner under the existing road Rules causing injury or worse (cyclists included), more liable to penalties that will assist in curbing that type of behavior.
these are good ideas. the first one already exists on shared paths, if you hit a pedestrian (expressed as a duty to yield to pedestrians) - so we know it can work.
The driver has finally been found guilty
Only 20 months after the crash, 5 months after the hearing.
Sentencing in January
I find extremely disheartening that cyclist advocacy groups are not pushing harder, and doing more to protect vulnerable cyclists on Australia’s roads.
To bloody busy organising expensive “fun rides” to increase their income.
Gee. Somebody on here noticed???
The only good Cyclist is a Bicyclist
Huge fan of booted RGers who just can't help themselves
No-one can complain that the wheels of justice turn too quickly.
15 months disqualification seems like a long time, unless you understand that the penalties for "negligent driving causing grievous bodily harm" are, for a first offence, a minimum disqualification of 12 months, there is no maximum disqualification period and the disqualification in the absence of a specific court order is 3 years.
Mrs De Silva did not get off so lightly - she was in a coma for two months, a further year at Royal Rehabilitation Hospital in Ryde, has brain damage and can no longer walk without assistance.
Accepting the "floor mat" stuck the accelerator excuse seems absurd. This guy should get charged for the crime he committed. His clear negligence maimed [EDITED] somebody.
If you cannot control your vehicle in a rational and sensible manner then you shouldn't be driving one. I have had a "stuck" accelerator before that relined the vehicle. It was a company vehicle where the battery moved impacting the accelerator cable.
Personally I am sick of the 5+ years for somebody who is 0.08 on alcohol killing somebody yet the 0 years for somebody who is sober. If your incompetence kills somebody you should be held criminal liable.
Last edited by human909 on Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
I am not sure at what point you stopped reading & started writing but just to clarify
(1) nobody was killed
(2) the driver was found guilty of a criminal offence "negligent driving causing grievous bodily harm"
I do agree the sentence is light both in terms of 6 days community service & the short period of disqualification.
As far as I can see at no time prior to his conviction has he expressed anything like remorse or an acceptance that it was his failure to brake that caused the collision.
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