Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby KonaCommuter » Thu Jun 28, 2012 3:10 pm

Big_Red wrote:
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cp123 wrote:

Kona - still saving unfortunately. $4 grand more to knock off the slate and then cameras!



$30


Well KonaCommuter i honestly hope it doesn't come to the point where you are forced by another's actions not to enjoy the simple act of getting on your bike and enjoying yourself. That said, do you have any review of that jaycar cam at all? I'd like to know how it compares to something like the 808#16 cam from eletoponline365 off ebay.




Yes - My review is Don’t Bother, save the $29.95 for a decent camera.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby uncle arthur » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:01 pm

So we have four pages of fact, opinion, mindless drivel, camera advertising, claims, counter claims, news opinion and editorial, etc etc etc....

What's the &^%$ING OUTCOME???????

What's happened in the end with this whole incident?
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby jules21 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:03 pm

uncle arthur wrote:So we have four pages of fact, opinion, mindless drivel, camera advertising, claims, counter claims, news opinion and editorial, etc etc etc....

What's the &^%$ING OUTCOME???????

What's happened in the end with this whole incident?

sorry arthur but that criticism is hypocritical, coming from any member of an internet discussion forum.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby uncle arthur » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:18 pm

jules21 wrote:
uncle arthur wrote:So we have four pages of fact, opinion, mindless drivel, camera advertising, claims, counter claims, news opinion and editorial, etc etc etc....

What's the &^%$ING OUTCOME???????

What's happened in the end with this whole incident?

sorry arthur but that criticism is hypocritical, coming from any member of an internet discussion forum.


Fine - so can anyone tell us what's eventuated?
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby find_bruce » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:22 pm

uncle arthur wrote:
jules21 wrote:
uncle arthur wrote:So we have four pages of fact, opinion, mindless drivel, camera advertising, claims, counter claims, news opinion and editorial, etc etc etc....

What's the &^%$ING OUTCOME???????

What's happened in the end with this whole incident?

sorry arthur but that criticism is hypocritical, coming from any member of an internet discussion forum.


Fine - so can anyone tell us what's eventuated?

Pretty much the same as this thread, an awful lot of not very much. I can't even tell you the outcome of this matter and that incident was in March 2011 and was heard by the court on 5 & 6 June 2012.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby uncle arthur » Thu Jun 28, 2012 5:31 pm

find_bruce wrote:
Fine - so can anyone tell us what's eventuated?

..... an awful lot of not very much.


It's safe to say that happens a bit around here.....
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Oxford » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:12 pm

This is what will happen:

Police: Were you hurt?
Cyclist: No
Police: Was there any damage?
Cyclist: No
Police: Well what's the problem then?

Just the cynic in me.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby KonaCommuter » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Oxford wrote:This is what will happen:

Police: Were you hurt?
Cyclist: No
Police: Was there any damage?
Cyclist: No
Police: Well what's the problem then?

Just the cynic in me.




Ask if that’s the line of questioning if you produce a firearm the next time a motorist endangers your life and see the response.



I know that I’m preaching to the choir but I honestly do not understand the wilful ignorance to road safety. 1,500 killed and 30,000 hospitalised every year and as a society we condone drink driving if it’s only a little bit over, speed camera’s are the source of open hostility and so on :cry:
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby maestro » Thu Jun 28, 2012 6:34 pm

exadios wrote:Exactly. In order for there to be a "hit and run" (whatever it is actually called in the particular state) the party that leaves the scene has to be aware that there has been an accident. I doubt whether this driver did know.


Not sure about the ACT legislation, but in NSW rule 287 requires drivers to stop when "involved in a crash" and there is no exception if they didn't realise that there had been an accident (although logic dictates that you won't stop if you don't realise). However someone I know had their car sideswiped by the rear wheels of a semi trailer which did not stop, and the police gave the semi driver "benefit of the doubt" and didn't book them for failing to stop.

So yes, it is technically illegal, but the cops probably won't do anything about them leaving the scene unless it's obvious that they were aware of the collision.

However if they claim to have not been aware of the collision, then it becomes really difficult for them to try and disprove your version of events (important for incidents without camera footage, but where damage to their car shows evidence of the collision).
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:12 pm

KonaCommuter wrote: speed camera’s are the source of open hostility


This really REALLY irks me, people constantly moaning on about speed cameras just being 'revenue raising'. Hello, don't speed, PROBLEM SOLVED! :evil: .
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:42 pm

ldrcycles wrote:
KonaCommuter wrote: speed camera’s are the source of open hostility


This really REALLY irks me, people constantly moaning on about speed cameras just being 'revenue raising'. Hello, don't speed, PROBLEM SOLVED! :evil: .


Crap. I don't speed and I loathe them, their overuse and associated justification advertising has promoted a mindset among too many motorists that as long as they don't speed they are driving safely. Govts and police use them as a cost saving measure to reduce patrols which are proactive policing and finally, they don't stop one speeding car they merely invoice after the fact. There's no way of proving this as there will never be stats collected on it but I'll lay a fiver that more than one road death caused by a speeding car would not have occurred if it had been detected and intercepted rather than photographed prior to the prang.

According to local media, VicPol are planning on cracking down on right lane hogs and pace cars (not before time) and much of the public sentiment is that it is unwarranted. Dunno why, if they're doing nothing wrong they've got nothing to worry about.

If you want cameras (red light excepted) to really have a positive impact, have a fleet of marked and unmarked Police, not lowest tendering contractors cars cruising any and every road day and night with four way constantly recording cameras and a button on the dash where the driver can flag anything for review.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby ldrcycles » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:49 pm

I agree with what you're saying, there is a big difference between driving under the limit and driving safely. But the fact is, if you don't speed, you don't get booked and pay the fine. That's all.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Oxford » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:19 pm

I like speed cameras, but also like MB, I believe it doesn't make drivers safer, just paranoid. I remember driving in Melbourne quite some time ago after a long hiatus in Qld. whilst almost every driver observed the speed limit, the skills displayed (or rather lack of) were no different to the lack of skills prevalent in Qld.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby trailgumby » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:26 pm

ldrcycles wrote: But the fact is, if you don't speed, you don't get booked and pay the fine. That's all.

Hmmm...
somewhere in China it was wrote:But the fact is, if you don't talk about the Party being corrupt, you don't get taken away by the police

Not saying it's the case here but it always worries me when that justification is trotted out for compliance... the law and justice are not the dame thing.

What if the law is a bad one?
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby wombatK » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:45 pm

trailgumby wrote:What if the law is a bad one?

Convince yourself that it really isn't bad. Laws that rule 1 billion people have to be
harsher than those for 20 million. Doesn't matter if you doubt it, at least 1 billion
people buy it.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby human909 » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:02 pm

wombatK wrote:
trailgumby wrote:What if the law is a bad one?

Convince yourself that it really isn't bad. Laws that rule 1 billion people have to be
harsher than those for 20 million. Doesn't matter if you doubt it, at least 1 billion
people buy it.


I seriously hope you are kidding here. That logic is incredible.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Jun 28, 2012 10:12 pm

+1to the power of shedloads to that.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby il padrone » Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:00 pm

trailgumby wrote:What if the law is a bad one?

You're trying to convince me that our speed laws are bad ??

I guess they are really - most Australian speed laws in our cities are too high. And 90% of Australian motorists would ignore them at will if the speed cameras were dropped (as they did back in the 80s prior to their implementation here in Melbourne)
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby SmellyTofu » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:43 am

ldrcycles wrote:
KonaCommuter wrote: speed camera’s are the source of open hostility


This really REALLY irks me, people constantly moaning on about speed cameras just being 'revenue raising'. Hello, don't speed, PROBLEM SOLVED! :evil: .


But if I spent more time looking at the road than worry about 3kmh, I'd be a safer driver. Driving/riding safety is way bigger than a fraction over the already low limit.

But meh, I'll continue to swerve erratically under the limit because "I'm safe under the speed limit"
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Oxford » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:28 am

trouble is is speed cameras were removed, people would exceed the speed limits meaning higher velocity masses hitting things.

as for having to watch the speedo, most cars have speed alert options in them now. no need to watch the speedo, just let the car keep an eye on it for you. my old commode (and company commode before that) both had them. in nearly 350,000kms of driving, not a single speeding ticket which I put down to the religious use (and familiarisation of how it worked) of the speed alert feature. most GPS units now can tell you what the speed limit exactly where you are driving and will alert you as well. considering a GPS unit is less than a typical speeding fine, there's no reason not to have one for this purpose alone.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby FXST01 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:43 am

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So what was the outcome? Jim's Mowing, a light clip and trim?
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby csy75 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 10:40 am

for all those wanting quick justice, please note, the wheels of justice turn slowly.

I lodged a complaint that day with the Roads and Traffic authority after this...they looked at it for 2 weeks. they were helpful but then suggested I contact police. I spoke to police and they took a further 4 weeks to issue a ticket.

Thank you to oxford for his pro-forma statement....very simple to use. Driver got a ticket 6 weeks after, but still got a ticket!


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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby Oxford » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:41 am

csy75 wrote:...

Thank you to oxford for his pro-forma statement....very simple to use. Driver got a ticket 6 weeks after, but still got a ticket!


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cool. glad you got an outcome acceptable to you (with the least possible inconvenience), that's all that can be hoped for.
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby cp123 » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:07 pm

holy bloody cow... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/849 ... by-cyclist


ACT Police confirmed to ninemsn they have made contact with the motorist and are considering whether to press charges. :roll: c'mon fellas - slap him with a neg driving charge!!!!!
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Re: Hit and run by Jim's Mowing

Postby SmellyTofu » Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:32 pm

cp123 wrote:holy bloody cow... http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/849 ... by-cyclist


ACT Police confirmed to ninemsn they have made contact with the motorist and are considering whether to press charges. :roll: c'mon fellas - slap him with a neg driving charge!!!!!


It's unfortunate we all have to carry around video cameras to capture these but it's become an unnecessary evil.
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