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Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:28 pm
by The 2nd Womble
And yet 300 whatever drivers run red through just one Melbourne intersectionj in one day and it gets a passing one line reference? Pi55 poor effort at 89kph through that camera as well btw :lol:
http://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/20 ... own-range/

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:52 pm
by KenGS
Strava segment?

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:56 pm
by ldrcycles
Would have looked something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwFxD7zbU3s

One of the comments on the article states that demerit points cannot be applied to a drivers licence for offences committed on a bicycle. Is that right? I was pretty sure it had been confirmed on here (with links to relevant sections) that demerit points could apply.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:58 pm
by The 2nd Womble
They do apply in Qld.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:30 pm
by warthog1
FFS :roll:

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:38 pm
by skull
Would be scary fun. A bit stupid on a road restricted to lower.

Have touched 100 going down the huon hwy but that us a 100 zone

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Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:58 pm
by find_bruce
I have the strangest sense of deja moo. The question of demerit points whilst cycling has been addressed on numerous occassions. While I used to think they applied to cycling, I was wrong! Whilst the road rules apply to all road users, including cyclists & pedestrians, demerit points arise from having a driver's licence and relate solely to offences related to the driving or use of motor vehicles.

The question here is Queensland. Schedule 9 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Driver Licensing) Regulation 2010 (Qld) includes the following definition
demerit points offence means an offence, other than an offence committed by a person while riding a bicycle, against a provision mentioned in schedule 3.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:41 pm
by twizzle
Oxford wrote:I really wish the police would familiarse themselves with the laws they are supposed to enforce before going off half cocked. whilst the act is seemingly stupid and they deserve to be fined, demerit points do not apply and the police should know this. how many fines are actually issued by police that are not valid in some way I wonder? I'd say plenty going by this article.


Gee, just the other week the police in (I think) SA had to have a major grovel (in the press no less) for booking a woman for using a mobile phone.... while pushing a pram. They have now realised that it is not a vehicle and she was not a driver. :?

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:51 pm
by Kenzo
skull wrote:Have touched 100 going down the huon hwy but that us a 100 zone

Nice one! I'm yet to beat 86...

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:02 pm
by KenGS
Kenzo wrote:
skull wrote:Have touched 100 going down the huon hwy but that us a 100 zone

Nice one! I'm yet to beat 86...

Missed it by that much. :wink:

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:07 pm
by Tornado
Gee, just the other week the police in (I think) SA had to have a major grovel (in the press no less) for booking a woman for using a mobile phone.... while pushing a pram. They have now realised that it is not a vehicle and she was not a driver. :?

Twas WA but yes you are right.

The entry standards to the Force appear to have dropped

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:08 pm
by ldrcycles
twizzle wrote:Gee, just the other week the police in (I think) SA had to have a major grovel (in the press no less) for booking a woman for using a mobile phone.... while pushing a pram. They have now realised that it is not a vehicle and she was not a driver. :?


You've got to be kidding :shock: .

Kenzo wrote:
skull wrote:Have touched 100 going down the huon hwy but that us a 100 zone

Nice one! I'm yet to beat 86...


95, but i had an argument with the road and came off 2nd best, take it a lot slower now :) .

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:13 pm
by rpmspinman
twizzle wrote:
Oxford wrote:I really wish the police would familiarse themselves with the laws they are supposed to enforce before going off half cocked. whilst the act is seemingly stupid and they deserve to be fined, demerit points do not apply and the police should know this. how many fines are actually issued by police that are not valid in some way I wonder? I'd say plenty going by this article.


Gee, just the other week the police in (I think) SA had to have a major grovel (in the press no less) for booking a woman for using a mobile phone.... while pushing a pram. They have now realised that it is not a vehicle and she was not a driver. :?


That's SA police clutching at straws right there.

As for the cyclist doing that speed. He has some large balls to do that speed and not get clipped by another car.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:36 pm
by twizzle
Linky to story re. mobile & pram.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 5:24 pm
by jules21
Supt Vanderbyl said the actions of the two cyclists were an accident waiting to happen.

"All it takes is for a car or truck to pull out in front of them and then we are dealing with a fatality," Supt Vanderbyl said.

yeah, but no one did hit them? doesn't that mean no offense was committed? :roll:

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:00 pm
by bychosis
Probably the same result at the speed limit too (60km/h) in the event of a car pulling out, just a little more chance of avoidance from the riders.

Calls for bike rego in the comments section of the article? I didn't read down too far.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:11 pm
by The 2nd Womble
Oxford wrote:
The 2nd Womble wrote:They do apply in Qld.

not in Qld they don't, only apply to motor vehicle offences.
Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Driver Licensing) Regulation 1999 wrote:demerit points offence means an offence, other than an offence committed by a person while riding a bicycle, against a provision mentioned in schedule 3.

<edit> didn't see find_bruce's post until I refreshed the screen.

I really wish the police would familiarse themselves with the laws they are supposed to enforce before going off half cocked. whilst the act is seemingly stupid and they deserve to be fined, demerit points do not apply and the police should know this. how many fines are actually issued by police that are not valid in some way I wonder? I'd say plenty going by this article.

I distinctly remember cyclists in Townsville being issued with fines including demerit points and licence suspensions for riding DUI along the Ross River and for not wearing helmets, however this was 10+ years ago. I must brush up on this me thinks.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:17 pm
by ldrcycles
jules21 wrote:
Supt Vanderbyl said the actions of the two cyclists were an accident waiting to happen.

"All it takes is for a car or truck to pull out in front of them and then we are dealing with a fatality," Supt Vanderbyl said.

yeah, but no one did hit them? doesn't that mean no offense was committed? :roll:


The offense was the cyclists breaking the speed limit.


bychosis wrote:
Calls for bike rego in the comments section of the article? I didn't read down too far.


Surprisingly no, although there are a couple blathering on about cyclists don't belong on the roads, they are a danger to everyone blah blah.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:21 pm
by jules21
ldrcycles wrote:
jules21 wrote:
Supt Vanderbyl said the actions of the two cyclists were an accident waiting to happen.

"All it takes is for a car or truck to pull out in front of them and then we are dealing with a fatality," Supt Vanderbyl said.

yeah, but no one did hit them? doesn't that mean no offense was committed? :roll:


The offense was the cyclists breaking the speed limit.

hmm.. you're probably right. hey, wait a minute :x

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:27 pm
by Mulger bill
jules21 wrote:yeah, but no one did hit them? doesn't that mean no offense was committed? :roll:


BAM! Got it in one 8)

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:36 pm
by Xplora
Strangely enough, no one says that a car doing 60 or 70 in a legal fashion is ALSO an accident waiting to happen given the same circumstances? :roll: FFS :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Bike Risk Kettle, meet Car Risk Black. :?

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:50 pm
by ldrcycles
Except that the car has a tonne or more of metal cage, side intrusion bars, seatbelts, air bags, and the cyclist has a lump of foam on their head and some skin tight lycra. Oh and fingerless gloves maybe.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:04 pm
by find_bruce
Isn't the real difference that a car driver exceeding the speed limit is a danger to other road users, a speeding cyclist is mainly a risk to himself or herself.

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:16 pm
by ldrcycles
+1

Re: Rogue cyclists clocked at 89kmh

Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:19 pm
by ColinOldnCranky
twizzle wrote:Gee, just the other week the police in (I think) SA had to have a major grovel (in the press no less) for booking a woman for using a mobile phone.... while pushing a pram. They have now realised that it is not a vehicle and she was not a driver. :?


Gee Twizz, you're a bit harsh in your assessment methinks. Rather than speak in hyperbole I think that you need to familiarize yourself with the story first.

"They have now realised..."? Your choice of words implies that they only see the stupidity of the action at this very late stage in the story, presumably after the media alerted them to it and embarrassed them.

Yes. It was a stupid action done by a cop, and certainly worth a chuckle at his expense. But the truth of the matter is it was quickly picked up by his own supervisors before it went anywhere, the ticket was cancelled and an apology issued to the woman. She accepted it.

The only "now" is that the media only "now" have found out about it - 16 months after it happened (in Mandurah WA btw). It was certainly no major grovel, it was not necessary.

"In the press no less."? And who else but the media would they talk to when the media raised it with them?

In view of the easy manner in which they caught and rectified a laughably stupid mistake I take from this story some relief. For stupidity I award two points against the police. For fixing it in the simplest cleanest no-fuss manner possible I give them back three.

And for light relief? Priceless! :mrgreen: