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I don't have a poll option but these are the questions:

1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

Just a simple 1, 2 or 3 will do. I'm very keen to see the results.
BTW we already have an MHL thread so if it degenerates into another prospective 2 year debate the mod's will lock this. If you have an opinion please post in that thread.
If someone can create the poll proper I'd appreciate it.

2) laws the law, deal with it.

Ouch!

1) Acceptable.

Aren't options 1 & 3 the same? If you think helmets are optional, obviously you believe that it's acceptable not to wear one.

1, 2 or 3...

The 2nd Womble wrote:1, 2 or 3...

yep, noted and amended.

lturner wrote:

The 2nd Womble wrote:1, 2 or 3...

yep, noted and amended.

Lucky...

2

Lolz close call there. MB's scaring me tonight. It's kinda sexy.

The 2nd Womble wrote:I don't have a poll option but these are the questions:

1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

Just a simple 1, 2 or 3 will do. I'm very keen to see the results.
BTW we already have an MHL thread so if it degenerates into another prospective 2 year debate the mod's will lock this. If you have an opinion please post in that thread.
If someone can create the poll proper I'd appreciate it.

1. it is acceptable to not wear a helmet.

p.s., could we move to this into a location where we can vote/poll ??

2 for mine.

And im sitting just off MB's shoulder looking for any scraps he misses. I'm tipping i'll go hungry though.

1.

Definitely 1

But..... because I’m on an old age pension and simply can’t afford the fine, I cannot..........

1.

I'm predicting this won't get to two pages.

edit. sorry misread the options

Only because people would rather argue the points till the cows come home? This way you get to make your opinion known - and everyone has a very strong opinion on this - without others wanting to switch off before they've read everything. Win.

It's a very definite 2 from here btw.

The 2nd Womble wrote: 1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

I'm a 2 as I try to be law-abiding, but would be a 3 if I could.

However I think there would be real benefit in adding further questions:

2.1: Do you support MHLs? Yes/No

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as an adult:
2.2.1: Would you still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would you sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the helmet away

2.3: If the MHL was repealed, and as a parent:
2.3.1: Would your children still always wear a helmet
2.3.2: Would your children sometimes not wear a helmet
2.3.3: Would you throw the kids' helmets away

Edit: Fixed numbering

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ILoveMyBike wrote:

The 2nd Womble wrote: 1) Do you think it's acceptable not to wear a helmet when you ride under the current laws?
2) Do you think it's unnacceptable not to?
3) Do you think it's still optional regardless?

I'm a 2 as I try to be law-abiding, but would be a 3 if I could.

However I think there would be real benefit in adding further questions:

2.1: Do you support MHLs? Yes/No

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as an adult:
2.2.1: Would you still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would you sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the helmet away

2.2: If the MHL was repealed, and as a parent:
2.2.1: Would your children still always wear a helmet
2.2.2: Would your children sometimes not wear a helmet
2.2.3: Would you throw the kids' helmets away

I did a poll on this waaaay back when this subforum allowed polls. IIRC, the result was pretty much a 2.2.2.

I'm a solid 1 with the footnote that repealing MHLs will not change my behaviour one bit.

Mulger bill wrote:I'm a solid 1 with the footnote that repealing MHLs will not change my behaviour one bit.

Its interesting, I'm honestly unsure how my behaviour would change. I think for recreational / fitness riding I'll continue wearing a helmet 100% of the time. My shorter distance local commutes... Well I think I'd just take the easy option. If the helmet is hanging from the handlebars then I'll probably just throw it on. Though at the moment sometimes I feel it is my obligation to disobey MHLs.

If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.
- Thomas Jefferson


(Also, I outdoor rock climb regularly and I choose to wear a helmet, not everyone does.)

EDIT:
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Ronk, it isn't really anything I haven't already said earlier. I'm not sure what bit you were referring to, but if you want to elaborate we can take it next door (the other thread)
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I think I need to pinch myself - what did human909 just say?

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1)

I see so so many other laws being broken...,

1

I think it is acceptable to not wear a helmet under the current laws. Note the word acceptable. Many other things come into consideration: from a moral and political standpoint I do think civil disobedience is reasonable in the face of a law you find unjustifiable but this is a strategy you have to consider in relation to whether the strategy will work or not. While I would continue to support civil disobedience I don't think it would be a successful strategy in this instance. While I may find this acceptable I do wear a helmet for the simple reason that I do not wish to pay the fines, I would get caught as I ride to work every day and mainly ride on roads. Laws should be the servant of the people, not the master.

DS