Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hatred
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Postby g-boaf » Tue Dec 25, 2012 1:51 pm
Just get out there and ride heaps. I was new to cycling about a year ago, I didn't encounter any hatred - just thoroughly decent, nice people. You'll find them too. Just give it time and steer clear on topics like registration and helmet laws.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby human909 » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:26 pm
Lets be quite clear. I "attacked" your arguments, not you. I did not attack you personally, I did not attack you for being a noob, I did not call you a troll. Nor was I offended by you. I merely disagreed with a opinion that you stated while knowing that it was controversial.supera wrote:it certainly didn't help that the person who attacked me the most (human909) clearly hadn't even read my post before attaching me. that's as clear a sign as I need that I was being attacked just for being a noob - at least by that person. (u can't have been that offended by my opinion, cos you didn't read it)
so no, "forum reputation" means nothing to me, nor does post count. I treat people according to how they treat me. so if you're going to attack me for being new, or for having an unpopular opinion - well, you are a douchebag.
Anyway, enough about that... Ride a bike in any fashion you so feel! Call yourself a bike rider or a cyclist (I make no distinction). Wear shorts, Lycra or Jeans (I rarely wear Lycra). Enjoy the bike for exercise, transport or simply recreation. Use the forum to learn, debate, meet friends. The choice is all yours...
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby il padrone » Tue Dec 25, 2012 3:45 pm
Probably a result of the patronising and unwelcoming initial post you made. A word of advice - if you want to make valuable discussion with people in a new group (any group - on-line or real time), and even make a few friends, just post about the riding you are doing or ask some advice about an aspect of cycling. You will find a great wealth of advice and support. To knowingly make a first post that is contentious and inflammatory is simply asking for trouble. You knew this too, I believe, but crashed on regardless.supera wrote: forgotten all about the patronising and unwelcoming responses I initially received.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby AUbicycles » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:27 am
1. Whether you are a new member or long term member, we are a diverse forum with diverse ideas and welcome discussion and debate however be aware that while views and opinions can be shared and discussed, if the aim is to convert everyone to your view, it will be a long, hard and painful journey that will most likely not succeed. The best case is to share and discuss, understand that information is power however know when it is time to agree to disagree
2. We are a family orientated forum that should welcome new members, in this thread I have read a number of very fair replies including some that have tried in vain to help the new member. BUT for members who do like to discuss each and every detail, consider a softer approach; share your views though accept that we are a community of different views and who are new and old, but all united by cycling.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby human909 » Wed Dec 26, 2012 11:37 am
Those that are new to internet forums or new to cycling may be less aware of the red flags and the way people can react passionately on topics. The tempering factors of social civility and personalities are often less present. Some people (myself included) often enjoy debating void of personalities. In real life the desire to debate is greatly tempered if even started by the often futility and the offence that can be caused. While online offence is often never intended, some people may interpret strong attacks in that way.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby greyhoundtom » Wed Dec 26, 2012 3:45 pm
The only time I take offence is when someone in such a debate resorts to name calling, or referring to a debater in an inflammatory and derogatory manner.
I don’t even mind if someone calls me an idiot, providing they can clearly and logically state their reason for considering me such. Lets face it I have called myself an idiot often enough.
If however someone called me a scumbag, dousebag or such other derogatory term without a real damn good reason, I would request and expect an apology, and if not forthcoming would place the poster on my ignore list, and from there on in act as if they were not a member of this forum.
There again I would trust and expect that the Moderators on this forum would take any posters resorting to using highly derogatory terminology to describe another poster to task over such a post.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby Mulger bill » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:04 pm
However, something else caught my eye that I find FAR more disturbing...
The 2nd Womble wrote:There would be definite pluses for an effective registration system, but ATM they're outweighed by the negitives preventing its implementation.
Sorta runs counter to:The 2nd Womble wrote:I think bike rego was costed in the low hundreds per rider recently in Victoria(?). It would be a huge tax burden. Pity, it would solve a few issues.
.Safe Cycling Australia, right next to the Twitter feed wrote:We have never and will never support the registration of cyclists or bicycles in Queensland or anywhere else.
Certainly made me rethink a few things...
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby Baldy » Wed Dec 26, 2012 4:32 pm
Mulger bill wrote:Only just caught up with this thread. Not happy with the way things have panned out with one of our newer members, both the response to his beliefs and his belligerent response to that response.
However, something else caught my eye that I find FAR more disturbing...The 2nd Womble wrote:There would be definite pluses for an effective registration system, but ATM they're outweighed by the negitives preventing its implementation.Sorta runs counter to:The 2nd Womble wrote:I think bike rego was costed in the low hundreds per rider recently in Victoria(?). It would be a huge tax burden. Pity, it would solve a few issues.
.Safe Cycling Australia, right next to the Twitter feed wrote:We have never and will never support the registration of cyclists or bicycles in Queensland or anywhere else.
Certainly made me rethink a few things...
Not thinking hard enough obviously.
He said there would be pluses if there were an effective way to implement it. There is not... so that is why SCA does not endorse rego for bikes.
He said even though it would solve a few issues it would be far too costly.....which is why SCA is not advocating for rego for bikes.
Womble is big and ugly enough to speak for himself and I'm sure he will. I just like pointing out when you are wrong
Personally I'm all for more arguing between human99 and supera. Its like watching Anthony Mundine fight Anthony Mundine...
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Postby il padrone » Wed Dec 26, 2012 5:55 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby mikesbytes » Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:28 pm
The writer is a columnist and its not the job of a columnist to write a balance article, but to invoke debate. In a sense its a bit like a forum troll
So how to invoke debate?
- The wrong doings of a minority group, in particular if the crime at hand can be viewed differently. "The RF interference from the Go Cart racing down the valley meant that I couldn't receive 2GB on my transistor radio while sitting under the tree in my back yard", that's why Go Cart racing should be banned.
- Do-gooder initiatives. For example the Toy guy buy back scheme. After all they know better than you as to what's right for your children.
- Politics
- etc
So back to the topic. I bet Daniel Meers is sitting back in his chair having a laugh at all the hits on his article and the number of comments received. Just like a troll sits back and watches the trolled thread grow
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Postby human909 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:29 am
Hmmmm..... I think it would be a poor assumption to suggest this of Mulger Bill. While his objections were not explicitly spelt out, I think playing the logic argument games to show that they aren't contradictory positions still misses his point.Baldy wrote:Not thinking hard enough obviously.
Even when he isn't wrong? Sure if we want to play semantics then you are correct that Womble's statements aren't quite contradictory to SCA. But while we are playing that the you need to recognise that Mulger Bill isn't "wrong" despite your claim has his comment was appropriately prefixed.Baldy wrote:I just like pointing out when you {Mulger Bill} are wrong
Justifying the "pluses" is a very hard sell regardless of the difficulty in implementation. The only "issue" that bicycle registration has any chance of solving is the one of cyclist haters ranting about non cycling registration. Simply put it seems a bizarre position to take.Baldy wrote:He said there would be pluses if there were an effective way to implement it. There is not... so that is why SCA does not endorse rego for bikes.
He said even though it would solve a few issues it would be far too costly.....which is why SCA is not advocating for rego for bikes.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby wilddemon » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:13 am
Anyone got anything on topic to add?
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby KenGS » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:03 am
I LOVE irony!wilddemon wrote:Yawn
Anyone got anything on topic to add?
Helmets! Bells! Rego!
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby KonaCommuter » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:13 am
But if one cyclist breaks a road rule it's "Cyclists" (Plural aka everyone that rides a bike) http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/quee ... 6446296016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby il padrone » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:26 am
.....while another driver takes a photograph while pretending to be driving a carA driver activates cruise control, while his feet hang out the window as he travels on the Eastern Freeway....
I must say, I don't think there is any suggestion from the Courier-Mail article that it was just one cyclist breaking the law. They've detected many cyclists running red lights. I'm not surprised and don't crash reds myself, but I don't see it as anything beyond a personal risk for the cyclists.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby human909 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:28 am
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Postby DentedHead » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:30 am
I'm a relative newcomer, both to cycling and this forum. I've never worn lycra, and I doubt I ever will (beyond the gloves I received as a Xmas gift) In addition, I ride a non-standard, scratch-built bike, further removing me from the "elite cyclist "clique. I've engaged in debate, asked advice etc, and, despite expressing some controversial opinions, never once felt that BNA was less than welcoming. I've had some opinions shot down by some, but I don't recall anyone ever attacking me personally.
I can also see how a controversial and off-topic first post could easily be assumed to be an attempt at trolling. I think a similar post on ANY forum would receive similar replies.
Dent.
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Postby winstonw » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:32 pm
I highly doubt it. His facebook page reveals his interests as - girls girls girls, horse racing, and Home and Away (seriously)mikesbytes wrote:I bet Daniel Meers is sitting back in his chair having a laugh at all the hits on his article and the number of comments received. Just like a troll sits back and watches the trolled thread grow
Nothing he has written anywhere indicates he has any idea what happens in the world, outside his myopic and developmentally challenged interests, nor that he has the capacity to use trolling advantageously.
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Re: Daniel Meers - GoldCoast.com.au - Guilty of Inciting Hat
Postby gorilla monsoon » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:23 pm
DentedHead wrote:Supera,
I'm a relative newcomer, both to cycling and this forum. I've never worn lycra, and I doubt I ever will (beyond the gloves I received as a Xmas gift) In addition, I ride a non-standard, scratch-built bike, further removing me from the "elite cyclist "clique. I've engaged in debate, asked advice etc, and, despite expressing some controversial opinions, never once felt that BNA was less than welcoming. I've had some opinions shot down by some, but I don't recall anyone ever attacking me personally.
I can also see how a controversial and off-topic first post could easily be assumed to be an attempt at trolling. I think a similar post on ANY forum would receive similar replies.
Dent.
Don't try explaining it to him, Dent, because he isn't coming back. He said his piece, got his answers that led him to the belief the members were playing hardball (they were not, most of them were fair, especially human909 (and I can't believe I just wrote that) despite Womble Squared's contrary view), got the hump and went away.
I have my own theories about Mr Supera's issues but they can be just that - my theories.
Anyway, can anyone tell me if friend Meers has paid out on cyclists again in recent days?
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:00 pm
You can take all the offence you wish MB. There are merits to rego in my view, but as I have said and will say again, due to the utter impossibility of cyclist rego being workable, and the reasons for those wanting it, we will never support calls for it.Mulger bill wrote:Only just caught up with this thread. Not happy with the way things have panned out with one of our newer members, both the response to his beliefs and his belligerent response to that response.
However, something else caught my eye that I find FAR more disturbing...The 2nd Womble wrote:There would be definite pluses for an effective registration system, but ATM they're outweighed by the negitives preventing its implementation.Sorta runs counter to:The 2nd Womble wrote:I think bike rego was costed in the low hundreds per rider recently in Victoria(?). It would be a huge tax burden. Pity, it would solve a few issues.
.Safe Cycling Australia, right next to the Twitter feed wrote:We have never and will never support the registration of cyclists or bicycles in Queensland or anywhere else.
Certainly made me rethink a few things...
I'm not paying the rego debate any more attention than in this thread. Need I also point out that many here also see slight worth in some instances where rego would benefit a cyclist?
You should realise MB I meant no more or less than this. If motorists want us registered so they can more precisely apportion blame to offset their own stupidity, they're plum out of luck.
Next...
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Postby Mulger bill » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:25 pm
Worried by the fact that prawns like Meres, Nightingail and various others would gleefully grab hold of "There would be definite pluses for an effective registration system' and quoting it as the exact words of the boss of SCA as their way of demonstrating how wonderful rego would be when such a pre eminent person in cycling safety as your good self backs the concept. Remember, it aint what you say that matters a damn these days, it's what the mass media reports you as saying.
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Postby The 2nd Womble » Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:01 pm
They can report me a saying "#!$(AT) Daniel Meers" if they want to. The offer is openMulger bill wrote:Offended Dave? No.
Worried by the fact that prawns like Meres, Nightingail and various others would gleefully grab hold of "There would be definite pluses for an effective registration system' and quoting it as the exact words of the boss of SCA as their way of demonstrating how wonderful rego would be when such a pre eminent person in cycling safety as your good self backs the concept. Remember, it aint what you say that matters a damn these days, it's what the mass media reports you as saying.
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Postby InTheWoods » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:45 pm
Dear Mr XXXXXX
I refer to your complaint received on 16 December 2012.
The Australian Press Council received several complaints about the Gold Coast Bulletin article “Meers: Time to curb pedal power”.
We have sought a response from the publication and we will provide you with an update once the matter has been finalised.
You are welcome to contact me to discuss this further.
Yours sincerely,
XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX
Director of Complaints
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Postby winstonw » Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:46 pm
InTheWoods wrote:Received a reply from the Australian Press Council today.
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