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1 metre rule

Postby r2160 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:51 am

Not sure if this has already been posted, but its great news that hopefully will spread.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensl ... 31n68.html

All we have to hope is that they will enforce it.

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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby queequeg » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:12 am

The comments in the article show it will be a long uphill climb to educate the masses.
I hope the trial is a success and we see some actual enforcement of the rules. I want this to go national!
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Thu Jan 30, 2014 9:00 am

r2160 wrote:Not sure if this has already been posted, but its great news that hopefully will spread.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensl ... 31n68.html

All we have to hope is that they will enforce it.

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Well Glenn
That is the next step.
Mandatory punishment/sentencing where a "vulnerable road user" is killed or injured in a road incident with a vehicle.

NSW is currently looking at mandatory punishments for "Coward Punches", so why not something similar for road incidents?
The UK is looking to trial this kind of "vulnerable road user laws" to bring them in line with much of Europe.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby FuzzyDropbear » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:36 am

queequeg wrote:The comments in the article show it will be a long uphill climb to educate the masses.
I hope the trial is a success and we see some actual enforcement of the rules. I want this to go national!


You're not wrong regarding the comments. I'm still baffled at comments on how this law is going to force people to overtake on the wrong side of the road with oncoming traffic and cause a head-on. I'm pretty sure there are other laws that deal with that issue.... people are so stupid and narrow minded at times.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby queequeg » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:46 am

FuzzyDropbear wrote:
queequeg wrote:The comments in the article show it will be a long uphill climb to educate the masses.
I hope the trial is a success and we see some actual enforcement of the rules. I want this to go national!


You're not wrong regarding the comments. I'm still baffled at comments on how this law is going to force people to overtake on the wrong side of the road with oncoming traffic and cause a head-on. I'm pretty sure there are other laws that deal with that issue.... people are so stupid and narrow minded at times.


I think that we are overestimating the average IQ of the population. It is like it never occurred to any of the commenters that all they have to do is change lanes and overtake the cyclist as if they were a car/truck/horse & cart etc.
To be honest, these rules already apply anyway even if not written out in 40 foot high flaming letters. Realistically the only time the 1.0 to 1.5 metre rule is only going to apply on a single lane and one way roads. People seem to be getting hysterical trying to find situations where it becomes impossible to overtake, saying how much of a problem it is, because waiting 2 minutes for a safe opportunity to pass is just such a tragedy (such as double-white lines). The overall standard of driving in this country is very poor. I don't know how people are passing the driving test.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby simonn » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:00 am

queequeg wrote:I think that we are overestimating the average IQ of the population.


<Ahem/> IQ tests are normalized with a mean of 100, so the average is always 100 :P

OTOH...

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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby queequeg » Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:06 am

simonn wrote:
queequeg wrote:I think that we are overestimating the average IQ of the population.


<Ahem/> IQ tests are normalized with a mean of 100, so the average is always 100 :P

OTOH...

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What I meant was that perhaps we are overestimating how many people sit on the right hand side of the curve.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby InTheWoods » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:40 pm

queequeg wrote:What I meant was that perhaps we are overestimating how many people sit on the right hand side of the curve.


What I'm imagining right now is an inverted bell curve :)
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby Alex Simmons/RST » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:38 pm

simonn wrote:Image


Hmmm, the average is not always the same as the median. Perhaps he's in the bottom half?
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby biker jk » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:49 pm

FuzzyDropbear wrote:
queequeg wrote:The comments in the article show it will be a long uphill climb to educate the masses.
I hope the trial is a success and we see some actual enforcement of the rules. I want this to go national!


You're not wrong regarding the comments. I'm still baffled at comments on how this law is going to force people to overtake on the wrong side of the road with oncoming traffic and cause a head-on. I'm pretty sure there are other laws that deal with that issue.... people are so stupid and narrow minded at times.


That's because in my experience a high percentage of drivers overtake me on single lane roads when a vehicle is coming the other way. They don't have the intelligence or patience to wait until there's no vehicle coming the other way before passing me. I've read many of the comments by motorists complaining about the minimum distance passing rule and all they do is confirm the stupidity of the average motorist. We definitely need better education, tougher and more frequent testing of motorists. Driving is a privilege not a right.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby exadios » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:57 pm

biker jk wrote:
FuzzyDropbear wrote:
queequeg wrote:The comments in the article show it will be a long uphill climb to educate the masses.
I hope the trial is a success and we see some actual enforcement of the rules. I want this to go national!


You're not wrong regarding the comments. I'm still baffled at comments on how this law is going to force people to overtake on the wrong side of the road with oncoming traffic and cause a head-on. I'm pretty sure there are other laws that deal with that issue.... people are so stupid and narrow minded at times.


That's because in my experience a high percentage of drivers overtake me on single lane roads when a vehicle is coming the other way. They don't have the intelligence or patience to wait until there's no vehicle coming the other way before passing me. I've read many of the comments by motorists complaining about the minimum distance passing rule and all they do is confirm the stupidity of the average motorist. We definitely need better education, tougher and more frequent testing of motorists. Driving is a privilege not a right.


And we, as a society, are goig to have to accept that a high percentage of people will not be able to meet the requirements necessary to obtain a drivers' license.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby human909 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:46 pm

biker jk wrote:They don't have the intelligence or patience to wait until there's no vehicle coming the other way before passing me.


Actually they do have the intelligence and patience. Most motorists cope just fine waiting in other occasions. In fact many spend hours each day doing exactly that.

The difference is that motorists have a belief that cyclists are secondary road users and that a motorist does should not need to slow to cater for a cyclist. In other countries be it Asia or Europe motorists don't have the same issues with waiting for cyclists. I don't believe Australians are innately more impatient or less intelligent than other countries. We simply hate cyclists and don't accept them on the road. And our authorities aren't doing much to change those attitudes.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby gorilla monsoon » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:07 pm

I recently broke bread with a reasonably high-ranking person from Queensland's RACQ and we got onto the one-metre passing rule in that state.
"Why", he asked, "should the onus be on motorists to leave a metre between their car and someone on a bike? Shouldn't the cyclist have to move over to ensure they leave a one metre gap to the car overtaking them?"
I patiently explained that the onus was on the overtaker, not the overtaken but I'm still not sure he got it.
I like this bloke, he is an intelligent man but seriously, you have to wonder where they get some of their ideas from. I have to say I wondered if this might be one of the trains of thought being floated around RACQ headquarters. If it is, it is a train of thought that is seriously derailed.
Funnily enough, this is the second bike-related discussion I have had witha person from that august motoring body and the first one was pretty strange as well.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby biker jk » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:47 pm

gorilla monsoon wrote:I recently broke bread with a reasonably high-ranking person from Queensland's RACQ and we got onto the one-metre passing rule in that state.
"Why", he asked, "should the onus be on motorists to leave a metre between their car and someone on a bike? Shouldn't the cyclist have to move over to ensure they leave a one metre gap to the car overtaking them?"
I patiently explained that the onus was on the overtaker, not the overtaken but I'm still not sure he got it.
I like this bloke, he is an intelligent man but seriously, you have to wonder where they get some of their ideas from. I have to say I wondered if this might be one of the trains of thought being floated around RACQ headquarters. If it is, it is a train of thought that is seriously derailed.
Funnily enough, this is the second bike-related discussion I have had witha person from that august motoring body and the first one was pretty strange as well.


You lost me at "he is an intelligent man". :roll:
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby Mulger bill » Thu Feb 27, 2014 1:56 pm

biker jk wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:I recently broke bread with a reasonably high-ranking person from Queensland's RACQ and we got onto the one-metre passing rule in that state.
"Why", he asked, "should the onus be on motorists to leave a metre between their car and someone on a bike? Shouldn't the cyclist have to move over to ensure they leave a one metre gap to the car overtaking them?"
I patiently explained that the onus was on the overtaker, not the overtaken but I'm still not sure he got it.
I like this bloke, he is an intelligent man but seriously, you have to wonder where they get some of their ideas from. I have to say I wondered if this might be one of the trains of thought being floated around RACQ headquarters. If it is, it is a train of thought that is seriously derailed.
Funnily enough, this is the second bike-related discussion I have had witha person from that august motoring body and the first one was pretty strange as well.


You lost me at "he is an intelligent man". :roll:


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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby il padrone » Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:08 pm

gorilla monsoon wrote:I recently broke bread with a reasonably high-ranking person from Queensland's RACQ and we got onto the one-metre passing rule in that state.
"Why", he asked, "should the onus be on motorists to leave a metre between their car and someone on a bike? Shouldn't the cyclist have to move over to ensure they leave a one metre gap to the car overtaking them?"
I patiently explained that the onus was on the overtaker, not the overtaken but I'm still not sure he got it.

And this bloke allegedly has a driver's licence???

Time to return to 'L' plates for you mate :roll: :evil:
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:14 pm

I am yet again questioning the governments commitment to the 1m rule with no 1 minute of airtime spent on advertising these changes as yet.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:00 am

26 days to go and no campaigning commenced despite the 1m trial being announced late 2013.
In the meantime, we have seen that both NSW and Victoria have started vulnerable road user campaigns from an announcement only a matter of weeks ago.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:53 am

13 days to go.
No change.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby oxonabike » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:55 am

Yeah but isn't this just conjecturing on the internet? I didn't think you approved?
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:59 am

oxonabike wrote:Yeah but isn't this just conjecturing on the internet? I didn't think you approved?


Nope it is stating a fact.
There is 13 days to go and there has not been 1 single second of time been spent on advertising this.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby Aushiker » Thu Mar 20, 2014 12:31 pm

Funny thing ... here comes the details ... whoops :wink:

Queensland motorists caught driving within one metre of cyclists will be fined $330 and lose three demerit points under a two-year trial due to start next month.

Drivers will be forced to give cyclists one metre clearance when passing in 40km/h, 50km/h and 60km/h zones.

Where the speed limit is higher than 60km/h, motorists will be required to give cyclists 1.5 metre clearance when passing.

Transport Minister Scott Emerson committed to the one metre clearance trial in January, but did not announce the penalty that would be imposed on motorists caught breaking the new rules until Thursday.

The penalty is the same for drivers caught running a red light, or failing to stop at a stop sign.


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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby high_tea » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:12 pm

Fine down from the $4400/8 demerits (?) the inquiry recommended to $330/3. Plus parity in fines for cyclists and motorists (don't recall that recommendation), plus no mention of the other recommendations. Hmm.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby sumgy » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:17 pm

high_tea wrote:Fine down from the $4400/8 demerits (?) the inquiry recommended to $330/3. Plus parity in fines for cyclists and motorists (don't recall that recommendation), plus no mention of the other recommendations. Hmm.


The fine was never a MANDATORY $4400 and 8 points.
It was always UP TO.
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Re: 1 metre rule

Postby high_tea » Thu Mar 20, 2014 1:33 pm

You may be right about the fine, and I haven't seen the exact change. It does sound like the penalty is being watered down from what is proposed, though.

Demerit points, btw, are mandatory - see whatever the driver licencing regulation is called for details.
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