Gay dithers while cyclists die

[find_bruce]

Apparently carrying photo ID & higher fines will stop cyclists from getting killed

Cyclists to be required to carry photo identification under NSW government proposal

[g-boaf]

Isn't that the idea? If he dithers long enough, we will eventually disappear.

Very disappointing. Hopefully the advocacy groups won't cave in to him. A little bit of plastic (I already have one if those) won't protect me from two tonnes of metal with a driver intent on running me over.

[fat and old]

I have no issue with the photo ID idea. Already carry it anyway.

No, it won't make it safer, but I don't think that's the idea anyway?

[find_bruce]

No the idea is to distract people from Gay's other stupid ideas about rego & licensing.

Perhaps we can get photos put on these



As for the fines, we already set the fines based on the weight of the vehicle - the fine for speeding 10+ km/h in a 12 tonne + motor vehicle is $335 but in a 2 tonnes car it is $112. Apparently a 10 kg bike causes the same damage as a 2 tonne car.

[g-boaf]

I have no issue with the photo ID idea. Already carry it anyway.

No, it won't make it safer, but I don't think that's the idea anyway?

I believe he once suggested (with weasel words) that ID was a way to improve our safety...

If the fine for speeding on a bike is to be increased, then the fine for a car or truck speed needs to also increase in proportion to the extra kilos they have and the extra damage they can cause.

So if the fine for a bike and rider of 68kg was $110, then for a speeding BMW 850i, it should be $3016, and for a speeding 2.42t 4wd it should be $3914. Seems reasonable to me..

[silentC]

No the idea is to distract people from Gay's other stupid ideas about rego & licensing.

Quite happy to pay that price if it shuts him up about it. It's not a bad idea to carry ID. I currently don't but if something happened it would be useful to the poor buggers that have to clean up the mess.

[fat and old]

I have no issue with the photo ID idea. Already carry it anyway.

No, it won't make it safer, but I don't think that's the idea anyway?

I believe he once suggested (with weasel words) that ID was a way to improve our safety...

If he or anyone else has then that's a crock.

If they're honest and say it's to ID "lawbreakers" then I'm ok with it. Not sure how you do that short of taking it out of the pocket of the "offender" forcefully.....unless you're a cop......

Of course then the argument that safety is improved through enforcement will be raised, and I lose interest.

[fat and old]

As for the fines, we already set the fines based on the weight of the vehicle - the fine for speeding 10+ km/h in a 12 tonne + motor vehicle is $335 but in a 2 tonnes car it is $112. Apparently a 10 kg bike causes the same damage as a 2 tonne car.

OK...then the increase is about $22.30 per tonne. My bike is 6.5kg. I'll subtract 1.993 tonnes worth of fines at that rate ($44.43) from the car fine and pay $67.57. Given that the current fine according to that article is $69.00, I'll save $1.43.

Thanks mate

[g-boaf]

Just throwing some numbers about, and changed the base to $110. I'm only 6.8kg bike, 60kg rider. I'm smaller and lighter than everything else.

[fat and old]

Just throwing some numbers about, and changed the base to $110. I'm only 6.8kg bike, 60kg rider. I'm smaller and lighter than everything else.

I drive 3.5t 4wd on outback holidays. I prefer my method...reduction for cyclists.

[g-boaf]

Just throwing some numbers about, and changed the base to $110. I'm only 6.8kg bike, 60kg rider. I'm smaller and lighter than everything else.

I drive 3.5t 4wd on outback holidays. I prefer my method...reduction for cyclists.

But, if you aren't breaking the law... that's what they say to bike riders about ID and rego so only reasonable to say the same thing back.

[fat and old]

Just throwing some numbers about, and changed the base to $110. I'm only 6.8kg bike, 60kg rider. I'm smaller and lighter than everything else.

I drive 3.5t 4wd on outback holidays. I prefer my method...reduction for cyclists.

But, if you aren't breaking the law... that's what they say to bike riders about ID and rego so only reasonable to say the same thing back.

Never driven across the Nullabor aye?

[rogan]

Carrying ID... I didn't get a D/L till I was 27, no really... but I did loads of riding in the years 18-24. How did I get into pubs in those days? They weren't as strict...

Of course, now I have stacks of ID, and carry it everywhere. And I hardly ever go into a pub. But back then this would have been a pain in the bum. Maybe if I was 19 in 2015, I'd have to have ID anyway, at least if I wanted to drink. Not everyone drives, and not everyone drinks either...

I get the sense that the rest of the NSW government wants Gay to go easy on bike licensing and registration. So, if this is Gay just putting up something the rest of Government can live with (instead of a real bike rego scheme, which will annoy thousands), then maybe it's OK. Call me a skeptic on "equal" penalties for infringements on the bike though. And because of the risk that it's the thin end of the wedge, for whatever other plans Gay has, I'd say no. Unfortunately, we, cyclists, cannot trust Gay to bring forward reasonable, sensible, moderate policies when it comes to cycling. Quite the opposite.

[bychosis]

So does everyone need to carry photo ID now as well. Pedestrians, scooter riders, little old ladies on those pesky mobility things? I often ride without my wallet, and taking my licence out of it is only going to end up with me leaving it in the saddle bag when I go for a drive when I really should be carrying it, I drive often enough without my licence on me as it is

Photo ID is only going to be useful if you are stopped by the police, who can compel you to provide identification anyway, so what's the point.

[grimbo]

I guess what I find frustrating with this proposal to force cyclists to carry identification is:
- what problem are they try to fix
- how big/bad is the problem
- how will this proposal fix it. And how much will it fix it
- what are the drawbacks.

Without that detail, this would be just another politician trying to put the screws on a personal ideological hatred.

I wonder if they will have police doing blitzes on cyclists to check they are carrying ID, and giving fines if not carried.

[Dragster1]

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Photo ID is only going to be useful if you are stopped by the police, who can compel you to provide identification anyway, so what's the point.

Lets face it, it's more easier for a police person to write you out a ticket, rather than dragging you back to the police station. In the time they have wasted they may have booked another 10 people and if asked on the spot you could give them false information.

[silentC]

The problem they are trying to fix is that motorists hate cyclists and want them to be registered to stop them 'getting away with it'. They know that rego is not going to happen so making cyclists carry id so that they can be identified might appease said motorists. We know it won't, any more than rego will, because what they really want is us off the roads.

[queequeg]

Quick, look over there while I rip up this cycleway!

[zero]

Australia already had a referendum about that, and we said no.

Cycling isn't and shouldn't be a proscribed activity, therefore it doesn't need ID.

There is also a similar absurdity in attempting to make fines for rule breaches on a bicycle the same as rule breaches in a car. Basically we have a range of penalties for offenses committed in a car based on how dangerous it is to the community, and if we make bicycle offences carry the same penalties then the range of penalties for car drivers no longer makes sense.

[diggler]

I have no problem with carrying ID. Of course everybody here will complain as if it is the greatest imposition ever.

[il padrone]

I have no problem with carrying ID. Of course everybody here will complain as if it is the greatest imposition ever.

The exact same sentiment, expressed by many enthusiast cyclists, that gave us the joys of the helmet compulsion law.

Go there at your peril.

[Scott_C]

Carrying ID isn't a major problem for most people. Having police blockade the cycleway across the Sydney Harbour Bridge to ID check cyclists will be.

And I'll bet that there's no way in hell they would close a traffic lane on the bridge during peak hour for driving license checks but that won't stop them doing the same to commuter cyclists.

[Mulger bill]

Quick, look over there while I rip up this cycleway!

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I wouldn't trust that man to guess my weight.

Stand against this people, it's the softener to something bigger and infinitely uglier.

[outnabike]

It is shtoopid how you bischikleists can go vere you please.

[human909]

I have no problem with carrying ID. Of course everybody here will complain as if it is the greatest imposition ever.

I have no issue with the photo ID idea. Already carry it anyway.

Personally I rarely wear Lycra cycling gear, so on the same logic I wholeheartedly supported the banning of Lycra cycling gear.

Such indifference is what destroyed our cycling 25 years ago. Why repeat the same mistakes. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean that it isn't an appalling anti-cyclist idea.

No, it won't make it safer, but I don't think that's the idea anyway?

Yep the idea is to make more rules for cycling and to further discourage it. Do I really need to bring up the drastic effects of the last time we mandated unnecessary items for cyclists? Why on earth would you have "no issue with it"!?
(Since I'm a largely a commuter and utilitarian cyclist I pretty much always have my wallet and some ID. But for longer rides I never carry ID. Why would I?)

It may be a bit early for Godwin's law but hey, what the heck:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.