The constant smear campaign against cycling

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby uart » Sat Jul 28, 2018 10:18 am

Thoglette wrote:I've been trying to track this for some time. And in particular when cycling puff pieces turned into venomous attacks.


I thought the recent reporting of a WA cyclist getting a mobile phone usage fine was interesting.

- Here is the ABC report: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-24/c ... 94215485=1

- And here is the Yahoo-7 report: https://au.news.yahoo.com/road-users-di ... 41712.html

Note the difference in tone. In particular that the Yahoo report adds in some extra failings to the cyclist - not wearing a helmet (not even sure if this is true) and having the "usual" bad attitude of a cyclist.

Most interesting of all however is that the Yahoo report strategically changes the gender of the cyclist from a woman to a man! Many people will mock me on this, but I honestly believe that this is deliberate and due to the (disputed by some) "fact" that hatred of male cyclists is far more publicly acceptable than it is for females. In other words, what I'm saying here is they they wanted a piece that would generate hate. And that subtle little gender change was actually conducive to that end.

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:41 pm

There is also the point that the mobile usage fine has only been reported because the transportation device was a bicycle. If it had been a motorcar it wouldn't of been reported and failing that, the article could of stated that nnn motorists have been fined for mobile usage in over the previous nnn period
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby P!N20 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:58 am

Here we go again: https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... a1aad52d99

POLICE in Queensland have booked more than 230 cyclists in the past two years for speeding


Speeding? Really? Queensland cyclists must be an elite bunch if they can exceed speed limits for any amount of time to be detected and fined.

He was joined by presenter Ron Wilson who fired up saying “someone has to do the should be for heaven’s sake”.


I couldn't agree more. Hang on, what?

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby human909 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 12:14 pm

uart wrote:Most interesting of all however is that the Yahoo report strategically changes the gender of the cyclist from a woman to a man! Many people will mock me on this, but I honestly believe that this is deliberate and due to the (disputed by some) "fact" that hatred of male cyclists is far more publicly acceptable than it is for females. In other words, what I'm saying here is they they wanted a piece that would generate hate. And that subtle little gender change was actually conducive to that end.


WOW.

We are all used to horribly biased reporting. But this is outright lying. And I struggle to believe misreading or mistyping he or she is believable but the detail of the 'father' and everything else indicates this was a deliberate change.



Wilson shared his experience, saying as someone who drives in the middle of a large city every day, “I can tell you that bicycle riders treat the road as their own and see motorists as the enemy.”

Fantastic reporting. Of course being "someone who drives in the middle of a large city every day" gives you an authoritative opinion of what bicycle riders are thinking and doing.

Motorist aren't the 'enemy' of cyclists except in some motorists own minds. For sure cyclist see cars and motorists as a potential danger but given the vast majority of cyclists are also motorists at least on occasion it would be odd to see yourself as an enemy....

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:24 pm

The video is a big slab of out grouping, no different to saying that a particular sector of the community are criminals because a member of that community stole a loaf of bread
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby RobertL » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:55 pm

P!N20 wrote:Here we go again: https://www.news.com.au/technology/inno ... a1aad52d99

POLICE in Queensland have booked more than 230 cyclists in the past two years for speeding


Speeding? Really? Queensland cyclists must be an elite bunch if they can exceed speed limits for any amount of time to be detected and fined.


I bet that 90+% of those speeding cyclists were coming down Mt Coot-tha. It's a very popular cycling spot, and a very popular spot for a police speed trap. It also has a 50km/h limit.

I think that the police are mostly there to catch speeding motorists, but I am sure that they are happy to catch cyclists too.

Mind you, I doubt that any speeding car or bike there has contributed to accidents - it's just not that sort of road - so it probably fails to meet all of the usual police criteria for siting a radar trap.
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby human909 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:11 pm

mikesbytes wrote:The video is a big slab of out grouping, no different to saying that a particular sector of the community are criminals because a member of that community stole a loaf of bread


I just skimmed the article. Your comment made me follow up and watch the video... Absolutely disgusting 'journalism'. And like you said very much out grouping.

Like you say they might as well be saying that all <insert minority group here> are criminals.

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby uart » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:20 pm

Quote from the above video.

Wilson: "Should be, should be, I love the expression should be. There should be a crack down drug dealers! There should be crack down on bicycle riders!"

The problem of bicycle riders hey. Second only to drug dealers apparently. :shock:

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby AdelaidePeter » Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:29 pm

uart wrote:Quote from the above video.

Wilson: "Should be, should be, I love the expression should be. There should be a crack down drug dealers! There should be crack down on bicycle riders!"

The problem of bicycle riders hey. Second only to drug dealers apparently. :shock:


It sounded to me like he said "drug takers", but still his rant was pretty equal measure ingorance and prejudice.

For instance he said indignantly (and I'm paraphrasing not quoting) "nearly all (bicycle related) road rules begin with the words 'drivers must'" - that's because, in the road rules, "driver" means "driver or rider". What an idiot.

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby DavidS » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:29 pm

human909 wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:The video is a big slab of out grouping, no different to saying that a particular sector of the community are criminals because a member of that community stole a loaf of bread


I just skimmed the article. Your comment made me follow up and watch the video... Absolutely disgusting 'journalism'. And like you said very much out grouping.

Like you say they might as well be saying that all <insert minority group here> are criminals.


Nah, News Ltd would never do such a thing (Sudanese gangs anyone?).

I won't watch the video as I avoid News Ltd like the plague (the resemblance is astounding).

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:42 pm

BTY 230 / 104 = 2.2 speeding tickets a week. How many speeding tickets were issued to motorists a week? Were the tickets issued to motorists reported on?
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby human909 » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:47 pm

DavidS wrote:Nah, News Ltd would never do such a thing (Sudanese gangs anyone?).

No. Even News Ltd don't go that far on race. I haven't seen it blatantly said like this, in the same way as all cyclists are being tarred here.
An on the issue you raised I've also seen other journalist swear the sky is green.

Good journalism is about raising providing facts and opportunities to discuss current events. I welcome more discussion of cyclists and other out groups. But just less frothing at the mouth.

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby DavidS » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:19 am

human909 wrote:
DavidS wrote:Nah, News Ltd would never do such a thing (Sudanese gangs anyone?).

No. Even News Ltd don't go that far on race. I haven't seen it blatantly said like this, in the same way as all cyclists are being tarred here.
An on the issue you raised I've also seen other journalist swear the sky is green.

Good journalism is about raising providing facts and opportunities to discuss current events. I welcome more discussion of cyclists and other out groups. But just less frothing at the mouth.


Good luck with that :wink:

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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Perhaps we could outgroup journalist, using the video as an example.... but 2 wrongs don't make a right
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby Thoglette » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:22 pm

human909 wrote:I haven't seen it blatantly said like this, in the same way as all cyclists are being tarred here.


Remember Madga? Or Cockroaches on wheels?

It will only stop when someone successfully sues a journalist for either contributing to a death

Or when a journalist gets sloppy and libels/slanders an individual in one of these pieces.
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Re: The constant smear campaign against cycling

Postby g-boaf » Tue Sep 18, 2018 7:17 pm

mikesbytes wrote:Perhaps we could outgroup journalist, using the video as an example.... but 2 wrongs don't make a right


Two wrongs don't make a right, but it doesn't stop the holier-than-thou journalists from slandering everyone else.

human909 wrote:Good journalism is about raising providing facts and opportunities to discuss current events. I welcome more discussion of cyclists and other out groups. But just less frothing at the mouth.


It hasn't been about providing facts for a very long time. Journos for a long time will totally ignore the facts and come up with their own bizarre twisted version of the story to suit the editorial line, or to try and get even in their vendetta against someone they don't like. Vendetta you ask? Yes indeed, that has happened too.

Nowadays, journalism is strictly about alternative facts and fake-news. They are a bunch of leaches.

News Limited hit record lows with the Daily Telegraph reporting on Gillard and that Federal Parliament speaker whose name escapes me. Photoshopping of images like that should NEVER occur. I'm sure the journos or the graphic artists at News Ltd wouldn't like someone doing the same to them - they'd be fuming, or probably trying to get offending images taken down.

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