What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:19 pm

Applying the Greyhound logic we need the support of the Nationals to win over the Libs

Or perhaps we need the support of the gambling industry?
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Postby il padrone » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:04 pm

Mike Baird - Minister for Live-baiting :x
Mandatory helmet law?
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Postby Mulger bill » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:11 pm

Looks like that low hanging fruit was politically toxic hmmm...

Good interview on Aunty radio in Sydney, Glover asked him if he or Alan Drones was the premier... :lol:
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby bychosis » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:48 am

Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.
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Postby gorilla monsoon » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:45 am

bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.


Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby bychosis » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:51 am

gorilla monsoon wrote:
bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.


Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.


Of course, not much hope, but some.
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Postby ironhanglider » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:36 pm

Politicians can be manipulated. Who knew?

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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:10 pm

bychosis wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:
bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.


Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.


Of course, not much hope, but some.
It would be interesting to see some analysis on what exactly the Greyhound industry did to get the political clout and perhaps we can learn a little on how to improve ours
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby bychosis » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:38 am

mikesbytes wrote:It would be interesting to see some analysis on what exactly the Greyhound industry did to get the political clout and perhaps we can learn a little on how to improve ours


It's probably one of those 'old boys club' things. You know down the pub on Fri night and a few drinks and a punt on the dogs with the 'boys' from the old days, or after a round of golf. Another generation or two and cycling might be getting there, after all it is the new golf isnt it? 'The public' apparently only see bunches of lyrca clad doctors on carbon fibre as cycling but 'everyone' loves a punt on the dogs (not me)

Combine that with the conspiracy theory that the govt wanted the dog tracks back to sell off and develop.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby silentC » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:21 am

We will never know what went on behind closed doors, unless someone decides to leap upon their sword and become a whistle blower, and even then...

On the face of it Baird has been made to realise that banning the industry is going to cause a lot of suffering for people who were not involved in the illegal practices. That is what we have been told. All else is speculation. It is just assumed, because we distrust our politicians to the extent we do, that there has been some corruption, collusion, or coercion behind the scenes to explain it. Highly likely there has, we probably will never know.

Therefore I can't see how any strategy to help cycling could be derived from it, even if we knew the details, because if the conspiracy theories are true, you can't make that part of your public strategy!
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Postby BJL » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:35 am

silentC wrote:We will never know what went on behind closed doors, unless someone decides to leap upon their sword and become a whistle blower, and even then...

On the face of it Baird has been made to realise that banning the industry is going to cause a lot of suffering for people who were not involved in the illegal practices. !


Illegal practices - Considering that killing a dog by hitting it on the head with a hammer is considered 'humane' and legal in this !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! of a country, just because it's 'legal' doesn't say much. :evil:

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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby silentC » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:03 am

Legality is one thing and it's pretty clear and specific. It either is or it isn't, or a court will decide. I know that inhumane disposal of an animal is a crime. A guy was convicted of it last year for using a rock.

Morals and ethics are another thing altogether and personal opinions will vary.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:38 am

There's ways of getting rid of cycling without technically banning it. Require all bicycles to have CTP green slips and cycling is dead.

Unfortunately we need political clout to protect ourselves
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby warthog1 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:01 pm

bychosis wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:
bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.


Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.


Of course, not much hope, but some.


The hope lies with the loss of face and popularity this will bring to the govt.
Hopefully it's electorally damaging and the rot may set in.
You need them gone.
The alternative govt can't be worse for cycling than the current cretins.

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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Fri Oct 14, 2016 3:33 pm

I'm still thinking there is something behind the scenes that we can learn from. I'm not saying we adopt their tactics
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby ironhanglider » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:50 pm

warthog1 wrote:
bychosis wrote:
gorilla monsoon wrote:
Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.


Of course, not much hope, but some.


The hope lies with the loss of face and popularity this will bring to the govt.
Hopefully it's electorally damaging and the rot may set in.
You need them gone.
The alternative govt can't be worse for cycling than the current cretins.


Oh no. You've gone and set them a challenge.

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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:12 pm

The recent mailed survey has shown that the majority are willing to support a minority group and at the same time it shows that the majority can be divided and bitter in that support/opposition.

Is this a sign that we can win over the majority? [please don't discuss the survey itself, this thread is not about that]
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