What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
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Postby mikesbytes » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:19 pm
Or perhaps we need the support of the gambling industry?
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Postby il padrone » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:04 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Postby Mulger bill » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:11 pm
Good interview on Aunty radio in Sydney, Glover asked him if he or Alan Drones was the premier...
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby bychosis » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:48 am
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby gorilla monsoon » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:45 am
Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby bychosis » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:51 am
Of course, not much hope, but some.gorilla monsoon wrote:Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby ironhanglider » Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:36 pm
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby mikesbytes » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:10 pm
It would be interesting to see some analysis on what exactly the Greyhound industry did to get the political clout and perhaps we can learn a little on how to improve oursbychosis wrote:Of course, not much hope, but some.gorilla monsoon wrote:Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby bychosis » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:38 am
It's probably one of those 'old boys club' things. You know down the pub on Fri night and a few drinks and a punt on the dogs with the 'boys' from the old days, or after a round of golf. Another generation or two and cycling might be getting there, after all it is the new golf isnt it? 'The public' apparently only see bunches of lyrca clad doctors on carbon fibre as cycling but 'everyone' loves a punt on the dogs (not me)mikesbytes wrote:It would be interesting to see some analysis on what exactly the Greyhound industry did to get the political clout and perhaps we can learn a little on how to improve ours
Combine that with the conspiracy theory that the govt wanted the dog tracks back to sell off and develop.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby silentC » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:21 am
On the face of it Baird has been made to realise that banning the industry is going to cause a lot of suffering for people who were not involved in the illegal practices. That is what we have been told. All else is speculation. It is just assumed, because we distrust our politicians to the extent we do, that there has been some corruption, collusion, or coercion behind the scenes to explain it. Highly likely there has, we probably will never know.
Therefore I can't see how any strategy to help cycling could be derived from it, even if we knew the details, because if the conspiracy theories are true, you can't make that part of your public strategy!
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby BJL » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:35 am
Illegal practices - Considering that killing a dog by hitting it on the head with a hammer is considered 'humane' and legal in this !! BAN ME NOW FOR SWEARING !! of a country, just because it's 'legal' doesn't say much.silentC wrote:We will never know what went on behind closed doors, unless someone decides to leap upon their sword and become a whistle blower, and even then...
On the face of it Baird has been made to realise that banning the industry is going to cause a lot of suffering for people who were not involved in the illegal practices. !
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby silentC » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:03 am
Morals and ethics are another thing altogether and personal opinions will vary.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby mikesbytes » Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:38 am
Unfortunately we need political clout to protect ourselves
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby warthog1 » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:01 pm
The hope lies with the loss of face and popularity this will bring to the govt.bychosis wrote:Of course, not much hope, but some.gorilla monsoon wrote:Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.bychosis wrote:Now it means that you can back down. There is hope for the helmet laws and stupid fines.
Hopefully it's electorally damaging and the rot may set in.
You need them gone.
The alternative govt can't be worse for cycling than the current cretins.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby ironhanglider » Fri Oct 14, 2016 11:50 pm
Oh no. You've gone and set them a challenge.warthog1 wrote:The hope lies with the loss of face and popularity this will bring to the govt.bychosis wrote:Of course, not much hope, but some.gorilla monsoon wrote:
Don't be silly, the animal killers have political clout, something we as a collective do not.
Hopefully it's electorally damaging and the rot may set in.
You need them gone.
The alternative govt can't be worse for cycling than the current cretins.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby mikesbytes » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:12 pm
Is this a sign that we can win over the majority? [please don't discuss the survey itself, this thread is not about that]
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby mikesbytes » Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:13 pm
The solution was to ban cyclists from that location rather than fix the problem, which is in line with what this thread is about. It sets the scene for cyclists to be banned from anywhere there's a potential for a death, which as NSW cyclists make up less than 1% voting population can be done without political backlash. And will they be banning motorists from intersections where Motorists have been killed?
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Postby mikesbytes » Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:09 pm
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Postby fat and old » Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:36 pm
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby familyguy » Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:58 am
You called it Mike.mikesbytes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:13 pmThe tragic death of a cyclist in Newcastle who slipped on the tram tracks made me think about this thread
The solution was to ban cyclists from that location rather than fix the problem, which is in line with what this thread is about. It sets the scene for cyclists to be banned from anywhere there's a potential for a death, which as NSW cyclists make up less than 1% voting population can be done without political backlash. And will they be banning motorists from intersections where Motorists have been killed?
Want to swap state governments for a while? No, wait, you're in Victoria...keep your non-MPDL lackeys!fat and old wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:36 pmWhat’s wrong with you Sydney blokes? Bloody soft if you ask me oooo tram tracks!!!
I think a lot of people here just don't know how to ride tram tracks yet. Plus the fact that they've put them in unavoidable places, not like some Melbourne areas where you have tram tracks centrally with space either side for cars/bikes/etc. Here it's footpath/trams/footpath an bugger everyone else. That's what happens when you insert infra 50 years after the fact.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby hunch » Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:00 am
Begs the question, what happens at all the cross streets, expected to dismount and walk through the intersections? That will win motorist friendship.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
Postby fat and old » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:24 pm
And how's that enforcement going up there?
Nah, seriously...I think you're right re experience. Unfortunately in this world you won't get the time to gain any.
I've said it time and time again.....don't use OH&S to argue cycling safety. Don't use workcover. Don't talk about risk assessments. You'll lose. If bicycles were invented today think they'd even allow them on the roads? Unfortunately, all these bans do is reinforce my belief in my position.
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Re: What the Greyhound racing ban means for NSW cycling
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