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Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:29 am
by mikesbytes
There was a Sydney Cycleways post on FB yesterday about fixing both the north and the south ends with reasonable detail on the southern end.

One of my non cyclist FB friends posted "what's wrong with the northern ramp" (words to that effect). While its clear to all of us what a pain the northern steps are, I couldn't think of a good line to articulate that. What's a good short sentence to articulate why the northern end needs a ramp?

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:19 am
by find_bruce
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:It's actually a photo taken in Bellingen, at north end of Church St.

How embarrassing - I was there & 18 months later I still get the location wrong, must be getting old.

mikesbytes wrote:What's a good short sentence to articulate why the northern end needs a ramp?
How about "I'm not good enough to ride up or down 50 stairs"

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:24 pm
by g-boaf
find_bruce wrote:Have you seen Pavey around Alex - the photo was taken at Coffs, but IIRC she lives about 1/2 hour south.

The photo was 18 months ago & I haven't seen her around since. She has at least not made inflamatory comments like her predecessor WD40, but I have yet to see any positive developments coming out of her office.

I wonder if she is going to be a bit like that other politician who rode a bike but did nothing to improve conditions for cyclists.



Which other politician, the Federal one or the other state one who was also very silent on bicycle issues, and even less known as a rider.

I've come back from doing big amounts of kms riding in Europe on the roads, and the difference is really staggering. The politicians here don't get it. The town officials over there in Europe do get it, they've embraced riding. It is easy to commute around on a bike or just ride on the roads in general.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:43 am
by warthog1
We are jealous though. :)

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:29 am
by AUbicycles
This is not good, money from public transport being dramatically cut... but there is still plenty of money for massive road projects which are surrounded in controversy from corruption allegations, community rejection and simply shifting congestion.

This sends a strong message about the governments view of motor vehicles in our society verses walking, riding and public transport.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hundreds-of-m ... 004-gyulmx

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:17 am
by Cyclophiliac
g-boaf wrote:
find_bruce wrote:Have you seen Pavey around Alex - the photo was taken at Coffs, but IIRC she lives about 1/2 hour south.

The photo was 18 months ago & I haven't seen her around since. She has at least not made inflamatory comments like her predecessor WD40, but I have yet to see any positive developments coming out of her office.

I wonder if she is going to be a bit like that other politician who rode a bike but did nothing to improve conditions for cyclists.



Which other politician, the Federal one or the other state one who was also very silent on bicycle issues, and even less known as a rider.

I've come back from doing big amounts of kms riding in Europe on the roads, and the difference is really staggering. The politicians here don't get it. The town officials over there in Europe do get it, they've embraced riding. It is easy to commute around on a bike or just ride on the roads in general.

I couldn't agree more. Cycling in the Alps and Pyrenees in late June / early July was cycling heaven. Coming back here was unpleasant.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:40 am
by warthog1
AUbicycles wrote:This is not good, money from public transport being dramatically cut... but there is still plenty of money for massive road projects which are surrounded in controversy from corruption allegations, community rejection and simply shifting congestion.

This sends a strong message about the governments view of motor vehicles in our society verses walking, riding and public transport.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hundreds-of-m ... 004-gyulmx


It is a conservative government. They do not like to invest in public transport and hate cyclists.

Apart from that what sort of a commuter bike is this :? :)

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Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:02 pm
by biker jk
warthog1 wrote:
AUbicycles wrote:This is not good, money from public transport being dramatically cut... but there is still plenty of money for massive road projects which are surrounded in controversy from corruption allegations, community rejection and simply shifting congestion.

This sends a strong message about the governments view of motor vehicles in our society verses walking, riding and public transport.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hundreds-of-m ... 004-gyulmx


It is a conservative government. They do not like to invest in public transport and hate cyclists.

Apart from that what sort of a commuter bike is this :? :)

Image


The Labor Party in NSW shut down Sydney's trams which was the largest network in Australia at the time. More recently, Bob Carr's 10-year reign did nothing for transport infrastructure/cycling (well he did effectively remove the toll from the M4 to encourage more motorists).

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:22 pm
by g-boaf
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/mon ... 42667.html

The Westlink M7 cycleway added $60 million to the cost of that project, a legacy of the former roads minister Carl Scully.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 12:36 pm
by warthog1
biker jk wrote:The Labor Party in NSW shut down Sydney's trams which was the largest network in Australia at the time. More recently, Bob Carr's 10-year reign did nothing for transport infrastructure/cycling (well he did effectively remove the toll from the M4 to encourage more motorists).


I made no mention of the other side who imo are slightly better but not by much.

The current gong wallopers you have are appalling for cycling by any measure.

Public transport has been neglected in this country by governments of both persuasions for decades.
I don't think anyone would argue that conservative governments in Australia have public transport high on their agenda.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:11 pm
by find_bruce
warthog1 wrote:
AUbicycles wrote:This is not good, money from public transport being dramatically cut... but there is still plenty of money for massive road projects which are surrounded in controversy from corruption allegations, community rejection and simply shifting congestion.

This sends a strong message about the governments view of motor vehicles in our society verses walking, riding and public transport.


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/hundreds-of-m ... 004-gyulmx


It is a conservative government. They do not like to invest in public transport and hate cyclists.

The really sad thing is that the current Premier, notorious for catching the bus to work, is acting contrary to the good work she did in 4 years as Transport Minister

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:20 pm
by warthog1
find_bruce wrote:The really sad thing is that the current Premier, notorious for catching the bus to work, is acting contrary to the good work she did in 4 years as Transport Minister


I should have really stayed out I have made the thread more political and I'm not across all the history or issues there.
In any case we are not doing much better here. There is some money being spent on public transport but it is a drop in the ocean compared to what is required. We haven't even got a rail link with the airport :roll:
Can't get minimum passing distance legislation up either.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:31 pm
by g-boaf
warthog1 wrote:
find_bruce wrote:The really sad thing is that the current Premier, notorious for catching the bus to work, is acting contrary to the good work she did in 4 years as Transport Minister


I should have really stayed out I have made the thread more political and I'm not across all the history or issues there.
In any case we are not doing much better here. There is some money being spent on public transport but it is a drop in the ocean compared to what is required. We haven't even got a rail link with the airport :roll:
Can't get minimum passing distance legislation up either.


Neither side is particularly better than the other with regards to public transport or other similar forms of public transport, so it's fairly even.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:13 pm
by find_bruce
Don't sweat it warthog - transport funding is always political & like g-boaf says in NSW at least there is no clear winner.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:34 pm
by mikesbytes
g-boaf wrote:http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/money-wasted-on-cyclists-nrma/2008/01/09/1199554742667.html

The Westlink M7 cycleway added $60 million to the cost of that project, a legacy of the former roads minister Carl Scully.


The Epping road cycleway is a stunning success despite the lack of a safe connection to SHB. I drive down Epping road on Friday mornings and see plenty using the cycleway. And most likely that number would triple if the link to SHB was put in. 9 years later the popularity shows how wrong the NRMA was in 2008.

Oh and that 25 cyclists per day quote was for Epping road roadway prior to the M2 and the Epping road cycleway. Those were 25 really brave cyclists... http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4334

When I've ridden on the M7 I've seen plenty of bikes. Can someone remind me how much the M7 motorway cost?

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:56 pm
by westab
^^^ I remember and have confirmed (roughly) online that it was $2.3 billion. I don't know if it was all funded by the owners of the road or if the NSW government provided some funding.

I ride here at least 8 times each working week and except in coldest months of winter there are plenty of riders & peds using the path.

Re: Goodbye Duncan Gay, Welcome Melinda Pavey

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:01 pm
by mikesbytes
So if I punched in the correct quantity of zero's into my calculator the M7 cycleway cost 2% of the M7