I would like to reply to Mr Granger so if you have any suggested points to make please do share. I will probably check the BITRE crash data which I suspect does not support Mr Granger views and then of course is the actual crash data for motor vehicles. Anything else to add?CYCLE CURFEW
Fremantle Gazette14 Nov 2017
THERE has been a lot of discussion about cyclists on the road. It is my opinion that not all cyclists should be allowed on the road. There should be a minimum age for a person to ride on the road.
Cyclists should not be on the road until an hour after daylight to an hour before dark, no matter whether they have lights on their bike or not. Some busy roads, particularly those with trucks or heavy traffic, should not allow cyclists at all.
Most road accidents involving a cyclist and a motor vehicle usually happen early morning or late afternoon.
Local councils spend thousands of dollars building excellent bike paths to keep cyclists safe. It all gets down to common sense.
FRANK GRANGER, Applecross
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Postby eldavo » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:55 pm
Ending with "all levels of government spend billions of dollars keeping old people alive. It comes down to common sense."
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Postby Aushiker » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:59 pm
I am writing in reply to Mr Frank Granger, “Cycle Curfew”, Fremantle Gazette, November 14, 2017. The writer’s claim that most accidents [actually crashes not accidents] usually happen early morning or late afternoon caught my attention so I did a fact check. Referring to the Australian Roads Death Database, 252 cyclist fatalities are listed for the period 2011-2017. Assuming for the simplicity sake the hours of daylight are between 7:00 AM and 6:00 PM, I note that 70 deaths occurred during the hours of darkness and 182 during daylight hours. Whoops, it seems that most crashes actually occur during the day.
Of greater concern however is that during that same period there were 8,412 deaths on our roads of which 253 where cyclists. It seems to me Mr Granger needs to rethink his priorities and to reflect on where the real issue lies.
We can of course then go into the data analysis [well published] showing where the highest risk is to bycle riders and that is I am afraid the motorist [~80% of bicycle rider fatalities are the fault of motorists].
So, no Mr Granger your curfew is not a solution. I suggest rather that you might want to start with respecting all road users, irrespective of their choice of transport. After all it comes down to common sense.
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Postby AUbicycles » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:29 am
Commonsense, Care and Courtesy.
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Postby RobertL » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:13 pm
It needs to be "were", not "where".Aushiker wrote:My draft reply is as follows ... feedback or suggestions most welcome ...
... of which 253 where cyclists...
Good letter, though. Well done.
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Postby P!N20 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:25 pm
Just tidied up Frank's letter for him.CYCLE CURFEW
Fremantle Gazette14 Nov 2017
THERE has been a lot of discussion about drivers on the road. It is my opinion that not all drivers should be allowed on the road. There should be a maximum age for a person to drive on the road.
Drivers should not be on the road until an hour after daylight to an hour before dark, no matter whether they have lights on their car or not. Some busy roads, particularly those with cyclists or pedestrians, should not allow drivers at all.
Most road accidents involving a cyclist and a motor vehicle usually happen during the day.
Local councils spend thousands of dollars building mediocre bike paths to keep cyclists fearing for their lives. It all gets down to common sense.
FRANK GRANGER, Applecross
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Postby trailgumby » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:30 pm
In addition to what you have I'd ask a further question. If countries like Germany, Italy and the UK can get sharing the road with cyclists right, what's wrong with Australian drivers that treating vulnerable users with courtesy and respect appears to be so difficult? It's not like the roads are bad. In fact they are better in Australia.
I'd suggest Frank needs to have his night vision tested and if necessary have conditions placed on his license so that he is less of a hazard to other road users, whether on two wheels or four.
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Postby Mububban » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:32 pm
My latest "close call" while commuting was a tradie having to put his brakes on after starting to pull out across the double lane road I was riding on. At 3:30pm on a sunny afternoon, with my Fly12 on maximum brightness flashing mode, and me wearing a hi viz orange jersey.Most road accidents involving a cyclist and a motor vehicle usually happen early morning or late afternoon.
Ol' Frank is full of something, but it ain't common sense, or facts.
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Postby Aushiker » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:18 pm
Thanks. There is a reason I teach accountingRobertL wrote:It needs to be "were", not "where".Aushiker wrote:My draft reply is as follows ... feedback or suggestions most welcome ...
... of which 253 where cyclists...
Good letter, though. Well done.
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Postby biker jk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:09 pm
That's often the case. I have a cyclist hater writing frequent letters to my local newspaper, often poorly disguised as motivated by pedestrian safety or the safety of cyclists themselves. It's amazing how many dumb people know how to write.Aushiker wrote:Oh it seems Mr Granger is a bit of a letter writer ... and in respect to bicycle riders he has a bit of a bee in his bonnet for sure.
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Postby trailgumby » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:21 pm
He sure does. "Cyclists should this..." and "It should be an offence for cyclists to do that.."Aushiker wrote:Oh it seems Mr Granger is a bit of a letter writer ... and in respect to bicycle riders he has a bit of a bee in his bonnet for sure.
He needs to stop shoulding all over himself. I'm amazed he's not embarassed by the mess. Serial complainer.
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Re: Cycling Curfew ... A Matter of Common Sense [Apparently]
Postby find_bruce » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:23 pm
How is arald screwloose? Didn't realise his fax machine reached WAbiker jk wrote:That's often the case. I have a cyclist hater writing frequent letters to my local newspaper, often poorly disguised as motivated by pedestrian safety or the safety of cyclists themselves. It's amazing how many dumb people know how to write.Aushiker wrote:Oh it seems Mr Granger is a bit of a letter writer ... and in respect to bicycle riders he has a bit of a bee in his bonnet for sure.
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Postby trailgumby » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:27 pm
Biker jk is on the Northern Beaches somewhere. We stalk each other but have yet to meetfind_bruce wrote:How is arald screwloose? Didn't realise his fax machine reached WAbiker jk wrote:That's often the case. I have a cyclist hater writing frequent letters to my local newspaper, often poorly disguised as motivated by pedestrian safety or the safety of cyclists themselves. It's amazing how many dumb people know how to write.Aushiker wrote:Oh it seems Mr Granger is a bit of a letter writer ... and in respect to bicycle riders he has a bit of a bee in his bonnet for sure.
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Postby biker jk » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:58 pm
Both those statements are incorrect.trailgumby wrote: Biker jk is on the Northern Beaches somewhere. We stalk each other but have yet to meet
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biker jk wrote:Both those statements are incorrect.trailgumby wrote: Biker jk is on the Northern Beaches somewhere. We stalk each other but have yet to meet
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Postby mikesbytes » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:38 pm
"Of greater concern however is that during that same period there were 8,412 deaths on our roads of which 253 where cyclists. It seems to me Mr Granger needs to rethink his priorities and to reflect on where the real issue lies."
Did he respond his solution to the 8,159 deaths that weren't cyclists?
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Postby antigee » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:50 pm
I like the guys like Mr Granger and thanks to the press for printing the garbage - helps you know you enemy - upfront and another C ...Condescending - his help I don't need, ever. - suspect his next priority will be moving to a house overlooking a roundabout that has a cycle lane on it ....just please don't tell me he is a local councillorMr Granger needs to rethink his priorities and to reflect on where the real issue lies."
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Re: Cycling Curfew ... A Matter of Common Sense [Apparently]
Postby Kronos » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:25 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMBdMccLD7w
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:12 am
Not yet but then my letter to the editor will not be printed until next week (assuming that they will print it) then it will be another week if Mr Granger replies.mikesbytes wrote:Did he respond his solution to the 8,159 deaths that weren't cyclists?
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Postby Aushiker » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:13 am
Its a coincidence; Matt lives in New York now I believe.Kronos wrote:Is it a coincidence, or is it "that Nikon guy." I knew there was a reason I didn't like Nikon cameras.
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