Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby find_bruce » Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:13 am

queequeg wrote:
biker jk wrote:Are we talking official bicycle lanes (of which there may be a total of 1km of these in the whole of Sydney)? Most bicycle lanes are not official so the riding two abreast prohibition is pretty inconsequential.


On my entire commute, the only official bicycle lane anywhere on the route (excluding the M2 Shoulder) is a short section on the Pacifiy Hwy at Artarmon, city bound.
Directly outside my house is a faux bike lane - 1 section ~1 km, another 600m, even continues the marking across the intersection, but I have not seen a single bike lane sign in either direction :roll:

Is this Sydney's shortest bike lane ? There are no lines through the roundabout so the lane ends there

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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:04 pm

queequeg wrote:
biker jk wrote:Are we talking official bicycle lanes (of which there may be a total of 1km of these in the whole of Sydney)? Most bicycle lanes are not official so the riding two abreast prohibition is pretty inconsequential.


Are you determining this from the lack of vertical signposts?
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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby NASHIE » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:12 pm

find_bruce wrote:Is this Sydney's shortest bike lane ? There are no lines through the roundabout so the lane ends there


Looks more like they left it open for water flow down the kerb line. Otherwise they would have to build two drainage structure before and in the roundabout. So my guess is no thought for cyclists :wink: . I would take the lane, rather than chance the litter in the gutter that would never get swept.

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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby queequeg » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:17 pm

ColinOldnCranky wrote:
queequeg wrote:
biker jk wrote:Are we talking official bicycle lanes (of which there may be a total of 1km of these in the whole of Sydney)? Most bicycle lanes are not official so the riding two abreast prohibition is pretty inconsequential.


Are you determining this from the lack of vertical signposts?


If it does not include the "Bike Lane" signs, either on a pole or on marked the ground, then it does not meet the definition of a Bike Lane under NSW Rule 153 (4)

What that then makes it is a standard road shoulder with some bicycle logos indicating to motorists they might expect to see cyclists about, but they hold zero meaning as far as the law is concerned.
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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby biker jk » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:41 pm

find_bruce wrote:
queequeg wrote:
biker jk wrote:Are we talking official bicycle lanes (of which there may be a total of 1km of these in the whole of Sydney)? Most bicycle lanes are not official so the riding two abreast prohibition is pretty inconsequential.


On my entire commute, the only official bicycle lane anywhere on the route (excluding the M2 Shoulder) is a short section on the Pacifiy Hwy at Artarmon, city bound.
Directly outside my house is a faux bike lane - 1 section ~1 km, another 600m, even continues the marking across the intersection, but I have not seen a single bike lane sign in either direction :roll:

Is this Sydney's shortest bike lane ? There are no lines through the roundabout so the lane ends there


If you enter the Entertainment Quarter at Moore Park from Lang Rd there's an official bicycle lane for around 30 metres. It's the shortest I have encountered.

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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby kb » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:02 pm

fat and old wrote:...
"It was necessary to stay out of the bike lane due to the recurring issue of tacks being dropped illegally"
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Necessity absolutely comes into the debate when it suits. You can't remove it when it doesn't.

Yep, although I would like to add (mostly out of habit!) the main place I’m aware of where regular illegal dropping of tacks occurs has a road shoulder and a separated path bike rather than a bike lane. :-)
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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby fat and old » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:10 pm

kb wrote:
fat and old wrote:...
"It was necessary to stay out of the bike lane due to the recurring issue of tacks being dropped illegally"
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Necessity absolutely comes into the debate when it suits. You can't remove it when it doesn't.

Yep, although I would like to add (mostly out of habit!) the main place I’m aware of where regular illegal dropping of tacks occurs has a road shoulder and a separated path bike rather than a bike lane. :-)


Yeah, I was referring to the sep. path kb. Not the shoulder. Should have been clear I guess.

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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:47 am

queequeg wrote:
ColinOldnCranky wrote:
queequeg wrote:


Are you determining this from the lack of vertical signposts?


If it does not include the "Bike Lane" signs, either on a pole or on marked the ground, then it does not meet the definition of a Bike Lane under NSW Rule 153 (4)

What that then makes it is a standard road shoulder with some bicycle logos indicating to motorists they might expect to see cyclists about, but they hold zero meaning as far as the law is concerned.

That's fine, I'm just used to people assuming that the required start and end signs screen printed on the road are not sufficient to satisfy the regs.
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Fast Road cycle ban a ridiculous idea - The West

Postby Thoglette » Sat Jun 09, 2018 3:11 pm

Prime position in the letters to the editor for today's West Australian (p88) went to two long letters bagging the call to ban cyclists from roads over 80kph.

They noted the long history of intertown riding; and the total lack of alternatives for anyone outside a major urban center.

This is important as it indicates that the paper (and it's owners) think the proposal is not a winner.
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Re: Ban on riding two abreast or riding on roads without cycling lanes

Postby mikesbytes » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:44 pm

Suppose another solution would be to have an Australian National speed limit of 80kph
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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