Dirty cycleway NSW

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Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Jmuzz » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:29 pm

Is there any standard on how dirty a path NSW can be before it must be cleaned?

I reported this one to council with Snap Send Solve app requesting street sweeping, but they said it's RMS (roads authority) not their problem (yeah thanks for not even forwarding it to them).

Reported to RMS website but ignored and never responded or did anything.

Any standard or guidelines I can quote in a new request?

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby g-boaf » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:10 pm

Looks pretty clean to me. I've seen far worse.

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Scott_C » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:24 pm

Jmuzz wrote:Is there any standard on how dirty a path NSW can be before it must be cleaned?

Reported to RMS website but ignored and never responded or did anything.

Any standard or guidelines I can quote in a new request?


RMS is a member organisation of Austroads and Austroads' Cycling Aspects of Austroads' Guides Publication makes the following recommendation in Appendix F:

Regular maintenance activities on paths should include:
• sweeping of paths to remove debris such as broken glass and fine gravel (including that arising from construction and maintenance activities such as crack sealing)


Like all Australian cycling standards it is non-binding but a failure to follow a recommendation in an industry standard may lead to claims of negligence in the event of an accident.

You can at least enquire what the cleaning schedule is for the path and suggest that it is inadequate to maintain the path in good condition. That way if you do have an accident on the path you can show that they were aware of the problem and chose to ignore it.

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby fat and old » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:13 pm

g-boaf wrote:Looks pretty clean to me. I've seen far worse.


Yeah man....I pray for a path that good! :lol:

Seriously :cry:

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby find_bruce » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:49 pm

Cycleways within the city of Sydney are swept daily with a special sweeper

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Outside the bounds of the CBD, you are lucky if they are swept yearly
fat and old wrote:Yeah man....I pray for a path that good! :lol:

Seriously :cry:
You get money for building bike paths, I would have thought you would be up for a contract to clean them as well - a bloke who can operate a bob-cat could drive the sweeper :D

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Jmuzz » Wed Jul 04, 2018 4:01 pm

The gravel against the wall in from construction, it never got a broom over it since the bridge was widened and road was resealed.

So it would just be nice if they finished the job so that it was like all the other clean sections of path.

Just to spite me after posting this thread some gardners were deploying mulch 20m down the path this morning.
They made a big mess and blowered/swept it clean.
Just not this gravelly section because that is on the bridge without garden.

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby eldavo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:31 pm

Warning for triggering how the world "should" be, 2nd listening to audiobook of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (Michael Kramer spoken version), there's a good rant on ideas the gravel illustrates.

On that note, the sheep don't have any ethical shepherds in sight in their daily grazing, it just looks like all wolves above, so no surprise really.

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:29 pm

Is there a safety issue to be reported?
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby b4igo » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:06 pm

The M4 path between SOP and Parramatta is atrocious!

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Jmuzz » Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:51 pm

mikesbytes wrote:Is there a safety issue to be reported?


Well it's always less safe with gravel isn't it.
Each piece reduces traction.
Mostly it just discourages cycling when it starts becoming a gravel path so it's nicest if they will give it a cleanup.

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby MichaelB » Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:23 pm

Not to be unhelpful, but it reminds me of the Monty Python's the 4 Yorkshiremen


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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Arbuckle23 » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:40 pm

Luxury!

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby mikesbytes » Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:57 pm

Jmuzz wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:Is there a safety issue to be reported?


Well it's always less safe with gravel isn't it.
Each piece reduces traction.
Mostly it just discourages cycling when it starts becoming a gravel path so it's nicest if they will give it a cleanup.


If it can be presented as a safety issue your more likely to get action
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby fat and old » Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:27 pm

find_bruce wrote:Cycleways within the city of Sydney are swept daily with a special sweeper

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Outside the bounds of the CBD, you are lucky if they are swept yearly
fat and old wrote:Yeah man....I pray for a path that good! :lol:

Seriously :cry:
You get money for building bike paths, I would have thought you would be up for a contract to clean them as well - a bloke who can operate a bob-cat could drive the sweeper :D


No way in hell I’d use one of those things, esp. in the cbd. Just look at the cyclist behind that thing. Reckon the operator can see him?

TBH, I’m not sure who cleans the separated paths in Melbourne. The company that cleans the roads doesn’t have them to my knowledge and the company that does cleans the footpaths. Must suss that out!

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Re: Dirty cycleway NSW

Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:58 am

I sent another RMS request and they have cleaned the section.

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