Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

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Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby Cheesewheel » Thu Jul 12, 2018 11:56 am

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-1 ... re/9981462

Man petitions Apple, Google for compulsory 'Do not disturb while driving' feature after friend paralysed

Of course it will probably not happen, but it is a damn good idea: have phones the require you to opt in to receive messages while driving. If you get involved in an accident on account of attending your mobile, you own the culpability (as opposed to this BS completely suspended sentence Katherine Roche got away with for effectively destroying someone's life)
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Postby eldavo » Thu Jul 12, 2018 12:11 pm

I found a different Katherine Roach when I typo searched for the name with suspended sentence...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

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Postby Cheesewheel » Thu Jul 12, 2018 1:47 pm

eldavo wrote:I found a different Katherine Roach when I typo searched for the name with suspended sentence...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-1 ... gs/9344544
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Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:38 pm

Cheesewheel wrote:
eldavo wrote:I found a different Katherine Roach when I typo searched for the name with suspended sentence...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -jail.html

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-1 ... gs/9344544



A good man. It's hard to even imagine the devastating change he and his family have suffered. The impact statement doesn't even come close.
Almost every time I am on the road I see a driver or drivers using a mobile phone :x

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby Jmuzz » Fri Jul 13, 2018 3:40 pm

warthog1 wrote:Almost every time I am on the road I see a driver or drivers using a mobile phone :x


Which is why NSW has added phone use to photo evidence infringements.
All they need now is a photo and numberplate identification and the registered owner is responsible (can identify driver, but if driver says it wasn't them it goes back on the owner).

It's pretty open to allowing most official cameras, RMS can stamp "enforcement device" approval on any digital camera device and it just has to have an anti tamper checksums function.

So they are currently talking up the fixed cameras dedicated to processing phone images. But really any toll, speed, red lights camera is valid and they can easily approve a cheapish dashcam/helmetcam device which is checksum capable to go on unmarked vehicles and take in the fines.

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Postby warthog1 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:19 pm

Jmuzz wrote:
Which is why NSW has added phone use to photo evidence infringements.
All they need now is a photo and numberplate identification and the registered owner is responsible (can identify driver, but if driver says it wasn't them it goes back on the owner).

It's pretty open to allowing most official cameras, RMS can stamp "enforcement device" approval on any digital camera device and it just has to have an anti tamper checksums function.

So they are currently talking up the fixed cameras dedicated to processing phone images. But really any toll, speed, red lights camera is valid and they can easily approve a cheapish dashcam/helmetcam device which is checksum capable to go on unmarked vehicles and take in the fines.


Thanks, that is a little encouraging.
A suitable penalty would be licence suspension in addition to the fine, however.

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Postby biker jk » Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:56 pm

warthog1 wrote:
Jmuzz wrote:
Which is why NSW has added phone use to photo evidence infringements.
All they need now is a photo and numberplate identification and the registered owner is responsible (can identify driver, but if driver says it wasn't them it goes back on the owner).

It's pretty open to allowing most official cameras, RMS can stamp "enforcement device" approval on any digital camera device and it just has to have an anti tamper checksums function.

So they are currently talking up the fixed cameras dedicated to processing phone images. But really any toll, speed, red lights camera is valid and they can easily approve a cheapish dashcam/helmetcam device which is checksum capable to go on unmarked vehicles and take in the fines.


Thanks, that is a little encouraging.
A suitable penalty would be licence suspension in addition to the fine, however.


I agree that licence suspension would be appropriate. But given there will be an at least ten fold increase in the number of motorists caught using their mobile phones illegally with the introduction of new camera technology, the political backlash would ensure that no government would have the fortitude to introduce such a penalty.

Mr McCredie said his technology could make it possible to increase the numbers of people fined for illegally using their phones by thousands every day, which would cause mayhem if many people lost their licences.

"You know if there are 100,000 people crossing the Harbour Bridge, it would be possible to catch 500 in breach of the law," he said. Currently, police catch about 109 people a day using their mobile phones, but his technology could catch that many in less than an hour.


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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby antigee » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:25 pm

but if you opt out how will you be able to find, order and pay for a coffee "without leaving your drivers seat"?

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby AdelaidePeter » Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:41 pm

biker jk wrote:
warthog1 wrote:
Jmuzz wrote:
Which is why NSW has added phone use to photo evidence infringements.
All they need now is a photo and numberplate identification and the registered owner is responsible (can identify driver, but if driver says it wasn't them it goes back on the owner).

It's pretty open to allowing most official cameras, RMS can stamp "enforcement device" approval on any digital camera device and it just has to have an anti tamper checksums function.

So they are currently talking up the fixed cameras dedicated to processing phone images. But really any toll, speed, red lights camera is valid and they can easily approve a cheapish dashcam/helmetcam device which is checksum capable to go on unmarked vehicles and take in the fines.


Thanks, that is a little encouraging.
A suitable penalty would be licence suspension in addition to the fine, however.


I agree that licence suspension would be appropriate. But given there will be an at least ten fold increase in the number of motorists caught using their mobile phones illegally with the introduction of new camera technology, the political backlash would ensure that no government would have the fortitude to introduce such a penalty.


I'm not so pessimistic. RBTs, speed cameras and red light cameras all came in (albeit with a little resistance) and changed behaviours, so why not this?

And then there is what I might call the "Facebook test". Go to Facebook of my local Automobile association or Murdoch paper, and ask a question on a cycling issue and we all know that there is a fair proportion of bogans who don't like cyclists. But these same groups are overwhelmingly positive when it comes to cracking down on mobile phone usage while driving (or speeding or drink driving, for that matter). So I think "average Joe/Joanne" would be happy to see mobile usage cracked down on.

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby Jmuzz » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:05 pm

Most of the distrust of the new NSW phone cameras I see is based on "revenue raising" rather than the actual enforcement.
People aren't against the enforcement, but they feel it is all a scam where cameras will catch people scratching their face and get unfair fines to raise billions for politicians perks.

If fines were replaced by weekend detention/education there would be a lot less distrust in enforcement.

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby biker jk » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:48 pm

Jmuzz wrote:Most of the distrust of the new NSW phone cameras I see is based on "revenue raising" rather than the actual enforcement.
People aren't against the enforcement, but they feel it is all a scam where cameras will catch people scratching their face and get unfair fines to raise billions for politicians perks.

If fines were replaced by weekend detention/education there would be a lot less distrust in enforcement.


Sounds like an uninformed fear given the pictures I've seen from the phone cameras clearly show a mobile phone being used. The "scratching their face" claim is hogwash. My point is that if the penalty is licence suspension then there will be hundreds of thousands of drivers losing their licenses if the phone cameras are introduced in sufficient numbers. The politicians will fear losing votes. Perhaps that's why the introduction of phone cameras keeps being delayed and the government announces higher demerit points for using mobile phones. They are hoping for some decline in mobile phone use to allow them not to introduce phone cameras.

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby tcdev » Thu Aug 02, 2018 10:07 pm

biker jk wrote:My point is that if the penalty is licence suspension then there will be hundreds of thousands of drivers losing their licenses if the phone cameras are introduced in sufficient numbers.

This is what really irks me.

"No, we can't introduce a proper deterrent to motorists killing people because too many potential killers would get their licences suspended. We'll just have to live with more deaths so less people are inconvenienced."

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby antigee » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:26 am

AdelaidePeter wrote:................... But these same groups are overwhelmingly positive when it comes to cracking down on mobile phone usage while driving (or speeding or drink driving, for that matter). So I think "average Joe/Joanne" would be happy to see mobile usage cracked down on.
remembering that rules are for other people - similar to most drivers being better than average their own "minor" law breaking is for their convenience and is overlooked/self excused

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Re: Mandatory "opt in" for phone use on the road

Postby AdelaidePeter » Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:14 pm

antigee wrote:
AdelaidePeter wrote:................... But these same groups are overwhelmingly positive when it comes to cracking down on mobile phone usage while driving (or speeding or drink driving, for that matter). So I think "average Joe/Joanne" would be happy to see mobile usage cracked down on.
remembering that rules are for other people - similar to most drivers being better than average their own "minor" law breaking is for their convenience and is overlooked/self excused


Well, that's not the feedback I've seen. I'm sure the law (photo detection of mobile use while driving) would be extremely popular, and certainly don't believe that politicians are afraid to introduce it.

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