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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby gsxrboy » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:35 am

Jawa wrote:Im no expert but those Italian prices may include their VAT (our GST) with a quick google says 22% :shock:


Yeah, of course. There are local pricing differences, but using a direct multiplier for like to like bikes does give an idea. The USA prices for like for like were also 0.7x for mid range bikes but almost 1:1 for the high end in each cat, with .AU almost cheaper on some.

I chose the fancy new Anthem 29er for price guessing as it the only true new bike. General trend, as you noted above, is a slight reduction in some spec, with maybe a small increase in price here and there and the usual spec change over for model years.

Good to see lots of 12s stuff coming out on all the brands in the MTB area.

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:04 pm

Just announced in the bike media today, and mentioned earlier in this thread as a suspicion, the Reign gets a full work-over, for those into the heavier-duty end of the MTB scene. In a similar vein to its smaller siblings released last year, the new bike is longer, lower and slacker than before, and with revised suspension geometry that gives a longer shock stroke for the same wheel travel, which boosts system stability and is easier to fine-tune.

The Glory full-noise downhill sled should, by my reckoning, also be due for an update but nothing has yet been announced on that front.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:06 pm

slowK wrote:Hi Duck,

Do you know if the new Anthem 29ers mean that there will no longer be 27.5 Anthems in 2018?

I'm only 160cm, and looking to replace my 2009 Anthem X (XS/14.5 inch size, 26 inch wheels).

I doubt I'd fit a 29er, so perhaps I'd better get a 2017 Anthem before it's too late.

As I suspected, the 27.5" Anthems do continue into 2018. However, complete bolt out of the blue and as a shorter person this may be of interest to you, as part of the 2018 range officially launched locally today Giant have introduced a Trance Jr: targeted primarily at the youth sector, it's designed with a rider height range of about 145-165cm, so could appeal to smaller adults too. Featuring the same Maestro suspension platform of all Giant's good MTBs, the Trance Jr has 120mm travel at both ends and rolls on 26" wheels - very similar in fact to the Trances of old, which are now virtually matched by the modern Anthems.....
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby singlespeedscott » Sat Jul 29, 2017 3:31 pm

Got me buggered how a top level road bike is priced higher than a top level MTB?

Love how MTB's have more tech and but road riders will pay more for less tech.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby gsxrboy » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:23 pm

Some pricing trickling through now

Reign Aly (2) $3799
Reign Carbon $6499 (1) & $8999 (0) - which prolly means the Anthem Adv Pro 29er $5999 (1) & $8999 (0)

The DA TCR SL disc is going to be way exxy at around $10k+

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Jawa » Tue Aug 01, 2017 3:57 pm

gsxrboy wrote:The DA TCR SL disc is going to be way exxy at around $10k+


Its up on Giant's site now for $11,500 .. thats getting into super bike territory

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby singlespeedscott » Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:23 pm

Jawa wrote:
gsxrboy wrote:The DA TCR SL disc is going to be way exxy at around $10k+


Its up on Giant's site now for $11,500 .. thats getting into super bike territory

That's getting into moto super sport pricing.

I wonder which represents the better value...hmmm.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:04 pm

The TCR Advanced SL 0 in Dura-Ace Disc, and Dura-Ace Di2 and SRAM Red eTap rim brakes include the respective component manufacturers' power meter cranks, which helps put the prices into perspective, and probably tips the overall value in bike's favour when you consider that's a substantial aftermarket purchase one does not need to factor in.

The biggest surprise is probably that there are no Propels.

Yet.....

It's probable that the new Propel will be released as a mid-season model, which incidentally the original was too. Given UCI's rules around prototype equipment used by race teams being required to be released to market within a certain time frame (nine months I believe), and at least one Propel Disc being ridden in the Tour, expect to see it maybe around January.

On the MTB front, we miss out on the mid-spec Anthem Advanced 29er, which has a carbon mainframe /aluminium rear, but we get the "base" full aluminium and full carbon Advanced Pro models.

Full info should be up on Giant's site by the end of the week, if it's not all up yet.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Jawa » Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:12 pm

Jawa wrote:
gsxrboy wrote:The DA TCR SL disc is going to be way exxy at around $10k+


Its up on Giant's site now for $11,500 .. thats getting into super bike territory


I should have screen grabbed it because its gone now from the website :?:

Not fussed about the Propels now .. atleast the rim types. The paintjobs shown on the OS websites are ghastly*

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Velt » Wed Aug 02, 2017 1:42 pm

Duck! wrote:
The biggest surprise is probably that there are no Propels.

Yet.....



One of the blokes from cyclingtips on their live tour de france facebook videos mentioned there was an embargo on the new propel till mid august

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby gsxrboy » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:00 pm

Velt wrote:One of the blokes from cyclingtips on their live tour de france facebook videos mentioned there was an embargo on the new propel till mid august


Italy doesn't care, they are shown there, for the rim brake version at least.

Other notes of some interest to errr some, particular lower range Defy are ditching Shimano disc brakes for Giants home grown efforts and there is a general push to tubeless.

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby march83 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:36 pm

Looking forward to seeing the disc propel pricing. Is a 105 level mech shift + hydro disc propel with hidden cables and decent paint too much to ask?

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:54 pm

gsxrboy wrote:
Velt wrote:One of the blokes from cyclingtips on their live tour de france facebook videos mentioned there was an embargo on the new propel till mid august


Italy doesn't care, they are shown there, for the rim brake version at least.

That's 'cos they're on the old frame....
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Mububban » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:06 pm

gsxrboy wrote:Other notes of some interest to errr some, particular lower range Defy are ditching Shimano disc brakes for Giants home grown efforts and there is a general push to tubeless.


Is that their "Conduct" blobby hydraulic converter unit like I've got on my Contend road bike? Mechanical shifters feeding into a hydraulic converter at the stem?
Or have they come up with a different in-house system this year?
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby rodneycc » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:34 pm

How long have they stopped making the Defy in a SL grade?

Edit: Actually I just googled it and its available in the US just not Aust by the looks.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:12 am

We last got the Defy Advanced SL in the '16 range.

It's quite normal for the Australian office to decide not to bring in models that are available elsewhere in the world.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby gsxrboy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:37 am

Jawa wrote:AU site has been updated
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/bikes/on-road


Goodness. $6k (up 10% from 2017 models) for the Defy now and you get an (personally) boring/ugly paint job for the $.

Heh, I was spot on with my Athem Adv 29er prices.

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Jawa » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:09 am

gsxrboy wrote:
Jawa wrote:AU site has been updated
https://www.giant-bicycles.com/au/bikes/on-road


Goodness. $6k (up 10% from 2017 models) for the Defy now and you get an (personally) boring/ugly paint job for the $.

Heh, I was spot on with my Athem Adv 29er prices.



Dont quote me on this but I think, at least where the TCR Advanced Pro in concerned it reverted back to the 2016 price of $3999 ... maybe the new R8000 groupset is partly to blame.

What I think looks ace though are TCR Advanced Pro Disc colourways, and im not even a disc fan. Still, the lack of cable integration in the front fork just seems lazy imo.

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby gsxrboy » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:44 am

Jawa wrote:Still, the lack of cable integration in the front fork just seems lazy imo.


I recall them saying it was done because they didn't want to add weight into the fork. Just about everyone else runs internal so it's likely since they pressed the disc button first, they'll be in catch up mode and rectify on the next frame/fork redesign because as you say it just doesn't fit with the rest.

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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:36 pm

The covers are off!!

Hitting the bike media today is what we've all been expecting, the 2018 Propel. In a bold move, it's all disc-brake, no rim brakes to be seen (those mentioned previously on some of Giant's European are new paint jobs on the old frame, largely because sales departments in those regions were afraid of the all-disc plan from the factory). A bold commitment given its three-year development, with little decisiveness from UCI regarding disc brakes for much of that time.

Four models; two Advanced SL, one each Advanced Pro and "entry level" Advanced. The Advanced features Shimano R8020 Ultegra mechanical shift/hydro brakes, the Advanced Pro and Advanced SL 1 both run R8070 Ultegra Di2/hydro brakes, while the top-flight Advanced SL 0 wears R9170 Dura-Ace Di2/hydro, including power meter crank. As with the old series, Advanced SL uses an integrated seatpost, while the Advanced frame (only the fork separates the Pro from the regular Advanced) uses an adjustable post.

Aus RRP ranges from $4999 for the entry advanced, up to an eye-watering $11999 for the Advanced SL 0 , but as with the similar-spec TCRs, the power meter crank does contribute a hefty chunk of that cost.

No word yet on availability.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/08/giant-p ... ils-price/
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Mububban » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:21 pm

The Defy Advanced (not Pro model) uses Giant's own brand Conduct hydraulic system rather than Shimano hydraulic brakes on the Pro models. I wonder if they've managed to shrink that hydraulic unit at all over my Contend SL1
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Duck! » Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:58 pm

No, it's exactly the same system. There isn't a great deal of reduction that can be done, given it houses two hydraulic cylinders, one for each brake.
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby Mububban » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:15 pm

Someone may have mentioned this already, but I just noticed the 2018 TCR range are using 11-30 cassettes matched with a 52/36 whereas the 2017 bikes used 11-28. Even on the Pro 0 with Dura-Ace. That makes my skinny legs happy :)
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Re: Giant 2018 bikes

Postby RichB » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:16 pm

Does anybody know when the new propels are going to be in stores?

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