Ultegra 11spd

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby cyclotaur » Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:56 pm

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:27 pm

Looks like Starbike are or are about to start shipping 6870 Di2. Items are showing as in stock and ready to be dispatched 1-3days
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:33 pm

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:58 pm

Same price for 6800 and 6870 shifters?! Sweeeeeeeet. Have to say that the Italian option doesn't even look too bad compared to 9070 :roll:
Go get it gents!

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:54 am

http://www.starbike.com/en/shimano-ulte ... e-routing/
All finally in stock and ready to go if you're keen. I'm moderately keen. A bit too committed to 10 speed for my liking right now though... Anyone dumping some cheap 10spd UDI2? ;)

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:04 am

Pushys are stocking it locally as well and not to bad on price.

Since I've already got 6800 I'm only after the upgrade kit. Will wait a bit longer till all the big retailers stock it and see what prices they offer on individual parts or an upgrade only option.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:45 pm

Yep if I pulled the trigger it would not include brakes or crank either. Seems strange they want to include the crank all the time when lots of people silly enough to spend 1500 on a groupset would also be silly enough to buy a crank powermeter (especially the TT groups!). My quarq is definitely not going because they sent me a new crank.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby blk077 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:25 am

HAKS wrote:Pushys are stocking it locally as well and not to bad on price.

Since I've already got 6800 I'm only after the upgrade kit. Will wait a bit longer till all the big retailers stock it and see what prices they offer on individual parts or an upgrade only option.


i'm on the same boat
I'm sure you would have seen bikebug sells the upgrade kit for $1300 but with the normal battery whereas I want the seatpost battery.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby HAKS » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:55 pm

blk077 wrote:
HAKS wrote:Pushys are stocking it locally as well and not to bad on price.

Since I've already got 6800 I'm only after the upgrade kit. Will wait a bit longer till all the big retailers stock it and see what prices they offer on individual parts or an upgrade only option.


i'm on the same boat
I'm sure you would have seen bikebug sells the upgrade kit for $1300 but with the normal battery whereas I want the seatpost battery.


Same here. Internal all the way :)
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby blk077 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:29 pm

anyone see this ?

http://www.paintmybike.com.au/Di2Conversions.aspx

I am not too sure about pulling out the seat post to recharge when the OEM can be charged via the junction i believe
anyone have experience with the Calfee internal battery ?

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby ball bearing » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:51 pm

Trying to find the tech docs for mechanical 6800 - anyone know if they are available online? The leaflets that come with the groupset all say to refer to Shimano tech docs and I'm buggered if I can see them on Shimano's website.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby ball bearing » Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:23 pm

Here is what I have found...

http://techdocs.shimano.com/techdocs/in ... 1803001791

3 exploded diagrams - shifters, brakes and pedals - no instructions or specifications.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:10 am

Seen some banter on FB about 11spd
-10 speed hubs can be converted by shaving off 1mm on a lave
-Miche have an 11 speed cassette which some of the posters said fitted on a 10 speed hub though I couldn't see the documentary evidence myself
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:38 am

mikesbytes wrote:Seen some banter on FB about 11spd
-10 speed hubs can be converted by shaving off 1mm on a lave
-Miche have an 11 speed cassette which some of the posters said fitted on a 10 speed hub though I couldn't see the documentary evidence myself


petal665 has a thread on here somewhere about dremel-ing his hub for 11 speed compatibility.
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby blk077 » Mon Dec 23, 2013 7:28 pm

I got lucky - had my old mavic aksiums
turns out it can do 11speed by removing the spacer - anyway saved me a new wheelset
other wheelset DT240s rear hub - $140 for a new 11speed freehub body ... geez the cost just adds up .. now I'm also going to need a second 11speed cassette methinks

BTW battery in the seatpost for all others out there scratching their heads
FYI

http://ritcheylogic.cust.shopatron.com/dyn_prodfamily.php?k=673065

but I got cheaper tips here
http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=115008

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Blakeylonger » Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:14 pm

just remove the 18T or the 11t (and use a 12t lockring). Then upgrade wheels when you can afford it.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:04 am

remove the spacer

Does that mean that 9 speed wheels are 11 speed compatible?
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:17 pm

mikesbytes wrote:remove the spacer

Does that mean that 9 speed wheels are 11 speed compatible?

Only if they're Mavic hubs.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:07 pm

Ha, this 11spd spacing is a mystery, what is different between 11spd and 10spd or 8/9spd ?
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:22 pm

8-& 9-sp. have the same overall cassette width, so to get the extra gear in the sprockets are both thinner and closer together. 10-sp. is a teensy bit wider overall, but with narrower sprocket spacing, so fits on the same cassette body, however the inner sprocket is dished toward the spokes a bit to make it all fit. Just to confuse things, Shimano designed their relatively short-lived 10-sp. specific freehubs with a shorter cassette body than 8/9-sp, so the cassettes need a thin spacer when fitted to 8/9-sp. hubs to ensure a secure fit. 11-sp. cassettes are wider than 10-sp. by virtually a whole sprocket + spacer width, but not quite, with slightly narrower spacing between them, resulting in a longer freehub body. 8,9 & 10-sp. cassettes can be fitted to an 11-sp. wheel by means of a 1.9mm spacer (+the extra for 10-sp) to fill the gap.

By sheer fluke, for reasons known only to Mavic their Shimano-pattern cassette body has always been overlength, requiring a 2mm spacer behind any cassette, plus the 10-sp. one. So this means that Mavic hubs are the only ones that pre-date Shimano 11-sp. that are compatible with it.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby jasonc » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:33 pm

Duck! wrote:By sheer fluke, for reasons known only to Mavic their Shimano-pattern cassette body has always been overlength, requiring a 2mm spacer behind any cassette, plus the 10-sp. one. So this means that Mavic hubs are the only ones that pre-date Shimano 11-sp. that are compatible with it.


i thought it was because they laced the hub the same for both shimano and campag. then they required a longer freehub for the shimano and added a spacer
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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Tue Dec 24, 2013 10:49 pm

It would be more related to the whopping great lobes to house the spoke heads on some models, and fitting cassettes around them than purely the lacing pattern, 'cos otherwise evey other wheel manufacturer would need spacers on their hubs, but they don't.

Still doesn't really explain why they didn't just machine the splines to the right length. :?
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Xplora » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:30 am

Aren't Mavic French? You wouldn't be asking that question if they are French.

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Dec 25, 2013 7:02 pm

So with the exception of the Mavic, none of the old hubs will fit 11 speed without modification
If the R-1 rule is broken, what happens to N+1?

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Re: Ultegra 11spd

Postby Duck! » Thu Dec 26, 2013 7:12 pm

Correct.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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