Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
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Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:13 pm
My bike's 105 5700 seems to be on the noisy side. It is properly adjusted/tuned and there's no issues with shifting. There's no metal rubbing either. The front crank turns smoothly when chain is removed. The noise was eventually tracked to the 2 jockey wheels, particularly when they are dirty. They quiet down considerably after being degreased, cleaned and re-lubricated. But within a span of 2 weeks (or 150km) the noise comes back again. During my ride this evening the noise was so distinct I decided to cut short and returned home.
I cleaned the chain again. This time with RnR Gold (previously I use TF2) and made sure I wipe all the grease off the chain the best I could. I also rubbed and cleaned the jockey wheels. Lastly I applied a few drops of the RnR into the jockey wheel bearings (both sides). Now the noise has gone back to normal levels but I suspect they will return soon.
I want to find out from any owners with similar groupset if this is normal. My bike is ~3 months old and has clocked ~400km by now so its relatively new. Thanks.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby Dragster1 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:09 am
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby zero » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:44 am
It happens occasionally, I've had a top wheel that was noisy when I shifted to the top gear on a deore derailleur - I just lubed it a few times and it stopped doing it. If bike shop won't fix it properly during a service then I'd just buy a new set of wheels from the internet, or just the bushes if someone sells those.davesday wrote:Hi everyone,
My bike's 105 5700 seems to be on the noisy side. It is properly adjusted/tuned and there's no issues with shifting. There's no metal rubbing either. The front crank turns smoothly when chain is removed. The noise was eventually tracked to the 2 jockey wheels, particularly when they are dirty. They quiet down considerably after being degreased, cleaned and re-lubricated. But within a span of 2 weeks (or 150km) the noise comes back again. During my ride this evening the noise was so distinct I decided to cut short and returned home.
I cleaned the chain again. This time with RnR Gold (previously I use TF2) and made sure I wipe all the grease off the chain the best I could. I also rubbed and cleaned the jockey wheels. Lastly I applied a few drops of the RnR into the jockey wheel bearings (both sides). Now the noise has gone back to normal levels but I suspect they will return soon.
I want to find out from any owners with similar groupset if this is normal. My bike is ~3 months old and has clocked ~400km by now so its relatively new. Thanks.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:01 pm
LOL! Thats exactly what I experienced. It was dark yesterday and it felt like someone is following me.Dragster1 wrote: Nothing to panic about, mine gets so loud after not lubing it that I think someone is drafting behind when it echoes off of fences and riders hear me a mile away and move over when passing.
Anyway that is good to know. I understand the need to re-lube the chain when its dry or clean when its dirty. But I only clocked less than 150km from the last lubing (presumably I did the re-lubing correctly - one drop of TF2 on every chain link/roller, on jockey wheels, on the shifting cables, on every link on the derailleurs). I wonder how some cyclists could get magical mileage out of every lubing?
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Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby RonK » Tue Apr 14, 2015 12:46 pm
Gee, that must have been fun...davesday wrote:- one drop of TF2 on every chain link/roller, on jockey wheels, on the shifting cables, on every link on the derailleurs.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:14 pm
I'm going cycling later in the evening and see how it goes. Now I just to need to find out the other clicking sound. I think its the headset.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby Dragster1 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:33 pm
I think you quoted the wrong personRonK wrote:Gee, that must have been fun...davesday wrote:Dragster1 wrote:- one drop of TF2 on every chain link/roller, on jockey wheels, on the shifting cables, on every link on the derailleurs.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:41 pm
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Postby RonK » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:23 pm
Fixed that - just Tapatalk having its usual struggle with nested quotes.Dragster1 wrote:I think you quoted the wrong person
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Postby RonK » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:28 pm
Use Rock 'N' Roll Gold. Apply it liberally to the dirty chain as directed. Wait a few minutes, wipe off the excess, dirt comes off with it.davesday wrote:Indeed. It was almost borderline OCD and I come to a point of questioning if that's really necessary.
It is a good idea to lube the other points, but not necessarily as often as chain.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby Rex » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:01 pm
Replaced the jockey wheels with BBB wheels and it fixed it.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby tomlaulau » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:31 am
I used to have 5700 and it is particularly noisy when using KMC chains I have found.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:16 am
All goodRonK wrote:Fixed that - just Tapatalk having its usual struggle with nested quotes.Dragster1 wrote:I think you quoted the wrong person
Thanks for chipping in. So does that mean your previous 105 5700 RD wasn't as noisy? I might purchase those wheels and try it on myself. Seems reasonably straightforward.Rex wrote:I have 105 5700 also, replaced my rear derailleur a few months ago and it was very noisy.
Replaced the jockey wheels with BBB wheels and it fixed it.
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:21 am
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby Rex » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:14 am
I've had x3 105 5700 RD's and they've all been noisy.
BB jockey wheels were like $12, don't need any maintenance and just work. I think very highly of all BBB products as a matter of fact
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:11 am
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby Rex » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:28 am
Hardest part is diagnosis
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby antigee » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:52 am
interesting to know that are a different bearing design to Shimano just swopped out the jockey's on mrs antigees 105 and sticking to the "no messing with components" rule fitted Shimano ones - nowhere as near smooth running
not sure if everyone will agree but if I'd had a cable stick would consider replacing it and the outer - lubricating will improve the situation but you might see a marked improvement in shifting with a well fitted replacement
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
Postby davesday » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:54 pm
Yes, interesting that is by design as it compensates for RDs that are slightly out of tune or aid in shifting.tomlaulau wrote:The jockey wheels on 105 only use rollers which has a bit of play..that could explain why it is noisy.
I used to have 5700 and it is particularly noisy when using KMC chains I have found.
One more question for everyone. My cassette is 11-27t and RD is short cage. In this case, does the B-tension screw effect anything? I know the principle but no matter how tight or loose, it doesn't bring the upper jockey close enough. Perhaps the 27t cog isn't big enough to matter? I've now found a sweet spot that seem to make gear shifting smoother. The B-tension does alter the angle of the RD slightly throughout the rear cog range. Question is where do I leave it?
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Re: Noisy 105 5700 drivetrain
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