M8000 XT
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M8000 XT
Postby Duck! » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:15 am
Overnight Shimano have released details of the new Deore XT groupset, due for launch later this year.
True to past form, it draws a lot from XTR that was introduced last year. It's 11-sp, with options of 1x, 2x and 3x cranks. In 1x form, it also has the option of an 11-42 cassette alongside the 11-40 range (which remains for 2x & 3x variants) introduced with XTR.
At this stage there is no word of a Di2 variant.
True to past form, it draws a lot from XTR that was introduced last year. It's 11-sp, with options of 1x, 2x and 3x cranks. In 1x form, it also has the option of an 11-42 cassette alongside the 11-40 range (which remains for 2x & 3x variants) introduced with XTR.
At this stage there is no word of a Di2 variant.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby thecaptn » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:28 am
Pretty cool, would be useful for touring setups. Now all they need to do is create some compatible drop bar brifters to suit.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby march83 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:38 am
yay for affordable 11sp pizzas.
visually, those brakes look very similar to the current gen.
can someone explain the rationale behind the offset bolt centres on the crankset/chainrings? seems like it's going to trickle down through the entire range now.
visually, those brakes look very similar to the current gen.
can someone explain the rationale behind the offset bolt centres on the crankset/chainrings? seems like it's going to trickle down through the entire range now.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Calvin27 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:40 am
march83 wrote:can someone explain the rationale behind the offset bolt centres on the crankset/chainrings? seems like it's going to trickle down through the entire range now.
It stops you buying RaceFace, Wolftooth and blackspire NW chainrings.
But yeah this is great for MTBrs! I'll probably just aim for the cassette, RD and shifter.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Duck! » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:38 pm
As they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. As with XTR, brakes are an evolution from the current model.march83 wrote: visually, those brakes look very similar to the current gen.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby rodneycc » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:32 pm
11-42! The cassette is going to be as big as the whole wheel soon! They are just massive on the new mtbs
(I guess thats what you gotta do with just one chain ring)
(I guess thats what you gotta do with just one chain ring)
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby bychosis » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:52 pm
Either that or snack on concrete. 32 upfront and 34 out back on 26" is enough for me, have considered going to 34 or 36 up front, which might mean it's nice to get a few more teeth on the back.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Duck! » Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:41 pm
If the reasoning is the same as for doing it to the most recent road cranks, allegedly it's due to the indivudual arms being subject to different amounts of force at various crank arm angles. Or something like that.march83 wrote:Can someone explain the rationale behind the offset bolt centres on the crankset/chainrings? Seems like it's going to trickle down through the entire range now.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby march83 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:50 pm
makes sense i suppose - in the power portion of the downstroke you will have 3 bolts supporting the chainring instead of 2. marginal gain, but a gain none the less...
edit, i understand the cassette will fit on a traditional 10sp carrier - can anyone else confirm?
edit, i understand the cassette will fit on a traditional 10sp carrier - can anyone else confirm?
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Calvin27 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:53 pm
I asked on rotorburn and everyone seems to think so.march83 wrote: edit, i understand the cassette will fit on a traditional 10sp carrier - can anyone else confirm?
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Duck! » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:55 pm
It was confirmed with 11-sp. XTR last year. The enormous diameter of the inner sprocket means there's no spoke interference, so the sprocket is dished back to gain the extra cassette width, leaving the core of the cassette the same as 8/9/10-sp. As a result, wheel stiffness isn't affected because it's not necessary to shift the right flange inboard to fit a longer freehub, as is required with road 11-sp.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: M8000 XT
Postby Duck! » Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:50 am
Saw these new bits in the flesh at the Shimano dealers' launch. Not a great deal to add from what's already been revealed. Yes there is that monstrous 11-42 cassette for 1x drivetrains, and it is not compatible (allegedly) with XTR derailleurs. The rear derailleur, as with M9000 XTR is now only available in Shadow+ clutched form. The clutch mechanism is significantly upgraded over M785/6 10-sp. XT, and is much closer in performance to XTR. Clutch tension is now externally adjustable, so it's no longer necessary to remove the dust cover to get to the adjustment - much easier to tweak on the trail if required.
For those (like me) who still like multiple chainrings, there is a huge array of front derailleurs to pick through: High clamp. low clamp, high direct mount, low direct mount, top swing, bottom swing, side swing, 2x, 3x..... about a dozen different front derailleurs!
The brakes have had some minor attention; the calipers are an evolution of the highly-rated M785 units; the only real change is that they've been slimmed down a little, removing material from where there may have been a bit much. Pad options remain resin or metal compounds, with or without cooling fins. The levers have come in for a bit more attention. The Servo Wave cam, which varies the master piston stroke through the lever's travel, has been reprofiled so it's a much smoother action than the previous generation, which was criticised for being rather aggressive & jerky. Cosmetically, they're a little slimmer than the previous model.
Shifters are available in three mount options, bar clamp, I-spec-B to pair with older (M987/988/785B/675) brake levers, and I-spec II to pair with new XTR & XT levers. I-spec-B only offers lateral adjustment of the shifetr pods, while I-spec II also allows independent rotational adjustment of brake & shift levers. The shift feel is light, yet firm and precise, giving definite feedback when it's hit the next index point, with a considerably shorter stroke than previously.
At this stage there is still no mention of Di2 filtering down to this level.
For those (like me) who still like multiple chainrings, there is a huge array of front derailleurs to pick through: High clamp. low clamp, high direct mount, low direct mount, top swing, bottom swing, side swing, 2x, 3x..... about a dozen different front derailleurs!
The brakes have had some minor attention; the calipers are an evolution of the highly-rated M785 units; the only real change is that they've been slimmed down a little, removing material from where there may have been a bit much. Pad options remain resin or metal compounds, with or without cooling fins. The levers have come in for a bit more attention. The Servo Wave cam, which varies the master piston stroke through the lever's travel, has been reprofiled so it's a much smoother action than the previous generation, which was criticised for being rather aggressive & jerky. Cosmetically, they're a little slimmer than the previous model.
Shifters are available in three mount options, bar clamp, I-spec-B to pair with older (M987/988/785B/675) brake levers, and I-spec II to pair with new XTR & XT levers. I-spec-B only offers lateral adjustment of the shifetr pods, while I-spec II also allows independent rotational adjustment of brake & shift levers. The shift feel is light, yet firm and precise, giving definite feedback when it's hit the next index point, with a considerably shorter stroke than previously.
At this stage there is still no mention of Di2 filtering down to this level.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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Re: M8000 XT - Now with Di2!
Postby Duck! » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:01 pm
Just announced overnight is new for 2017 XT Di2. Featuring all the tricks from XTR which has been out for nearly two years now, it's really through the use of different materials that brings it to a (relatively) more affordable level. However, it does bring one new trick to the party, which is also compatible as an upgrade to XTR: wireless connection via Bluetooth to the E-Tube software for system customising. This will enable tweaking at the trail via a suitable-equipped laptop,tablet or smartphone. Tricky.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
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