I had this issue with the Moment DW. The struts are not easily removed, making the packed tent 19 inches long.m@ wrote:For bikepacking, I have to strap the tent to the top-tube as the corner struts mean it's too long to go in a saddlebag. On the CX bike it can go inside the main triangle, on the MTB it has to go on top of the tube.
Yes, I have tested it and have no problem achieving a taut pitch.nezumi wrote:Have you tested the ProTrail with the supplemental poles yet? I saw some reviews that the tent is really designed for hiking poles, so the supplemental poles don't hold the tent that taught.
Hard to compare directly because the floor shapes are different, but I think the Nordisk would have more floor area and more internal volume than the Protrail, so doubt it would be coffin-like. It's close to the same weight, dual-skinned and single pitch.Aushiker wrote:How does the usable interior compare to your Protrail Ron? One thing to be light; another thing to sleep in a coffin.
Out of the meeting now so can look up some more detailsRonK wrote:Hard to compare directly because the floor shapes are different, but I think the Nordisk would have more floor area and more internal volume than the Protrail, so doubt it would be coffin-like. It's close to the same weight, dual-skinned and single pitch.Aushiker wrote:How does the usable interior compare to your Protrail Ron? One thing to be light; another thing to sleep in a coffin.
Smoke and mirrors. The Protrail is a ridge tent, so that much head height is only available at the very highest point, and at that point there is also a pole to contend with. The steeply angled side walls also encroach on the usable space. Odds are you would be making greater head contact with the fly or the pole in the Protrail. Since the Nordisk is double skinned contact would be with the inner tent not the fly and there is no pole.Aushiker wrote:The sit-up height is only 100 cm in the Nordisk. The usable length is not given, but the overall inside length is given as 220 cm.
Your Protrail is 107cm wide, 213 cm in length and 112 cm in height. It is basically a rectangle shapped floor which I believe provides more usable space subject to pitch of course.
From what I can see the weight "saving" in the Nordisk does appear to come at a cost of size and a noticeable reduction in usable height.
I guess it comes down to one's body length, but for me at least at ~ 177 cm, I would be sticking to the Protrail. The lost of usable interior space is not worth the switch and brushing my head against the roof of the tent (and probably the ends as well) would annoy me on end.
Nice to see a Zpack's user here. I am about to pull the pin on either a Altaplex or a Duplex.TonyB wrote:I have been using my little Zpacks Hexamid tent for around 5-6 years, my Hexamid is a first generation Hexamid without the beak. I use this tent for three season bushwalking and off road MTB touring. The weight all up including tent pole, ground sheet, pegs and door is 488g, the tent packs away quite small and fits nicely into my seat bag.
A tent with an partial insect mesh, and a fly/tarp which "drains condensation outside the floor" ?? No thanks.
Or many parts of the Aussie bush (mozzies). il padrone wrote:A tent with an partial insect mesh, and a fly/tarp which "drains condensation outside the floor" ?? No thanks.
Don't plan on touring NZ and having a pleasant night's sleep in NZ (sandflies)
As I understand it (I need to double check my understanding) the ties are there to help keep the 8" walls of the floor vertical as the floor is attached to the shelter wall with mesh. Add to this you can adjust the pitch height by lowering the poles so again having the ability to tension the floor is desirable.il padrone wrote:I looked at the photos and it seemed like the tub floor was not attached to the tent/fly at the ground - just supported by some ties.
What I was referring to is the option to purchase either of these in tarp mode, i.e., floorless, a bit like TonyD's Hexamid. In such cases in bug territory you will need a bivvy or headnet. I am choosing the full shelter configuration.Certainly I would not choose to carry a tent and then use a bivvy bag as well to get insect cover
With a double wall and the associated weight you do for sure get good separation and less condensation problems. That said I have previously owned a MSR single wall tent and used it in WA and the NT without any noticeable issues with condensation and it did not have great ventilation so I am not overly concerned.Regarding condensation, yes my tent occasionally gets condensation (dramatically reduced by use of a good tent footprint for the whole floor, including vestibule). If it does drip it is only minor, and mostly drips onto the inner tent where it is absorbed and later dries out. I almost never have any drops dripping inside.
. The Altaplex is lighter again for one person shelter with some space. I was wrong. They are at each end to allow for headroom adjustment. Jump to ~ 8m 53 seconds for a brief mention.Aushiker wrote:As I understand it (I need to double check my understanding) the ties are there to help keep the 8" walls of the floor vertical as the floor is attached to the shelter wall with mesh. Add to this you can adjust the pitch height by lowering the poles so again having the ability to tension the floor is desirable.
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