Touring Ebay thread
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Leaf T » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:03 pm
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Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Mon Mar 07, 2016 6:31 pm
Those pics are from the Vivente web site. The bike is straight out of the box so the steerer is uncut.Leaf T wrote:Why Thorn do this I don't know. Same as this Vivente.
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And since it's a steel steerer there is no need to cut it short anyway.
All my tourers have the maximum number of spacers allowed, because I like it like that.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Rodgerbiltit » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:25 pm
There's a "maximum" number?All my tourers have the maximum number of spacers allowed, because I like it like that.
What would that be? I'm about to "push things out(or up)" on a bike that I'm building...
I like to sit up and smell the roses too...
I'd love to know the limit, so that I don't exceed it?
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:51 pm
If not, you would be pretty safe with 50mm for a carbon or alloy steerer. Steel - use as many as you prefer.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Leaf T » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:06 pm
My position would be similar to the third example down which Patria call the Dynamic position. We almost bought the Patria Terra frames but it was awkward with the shipping and communication because at the time the rep was flat out with Eurobike.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:32 pm
I suspect a high bar and upright position is exactly what many prospective buyers are looking for, and a slammed stem in their promo material would instead actually cost sales.Leaf T wrote:Perhaps Vivente would gain extra sales if they made the bikes look good in their promo material.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby rustguard » Tue Mar 08, 2016 2:18 pm
Plus you can still chop it down to what you like. Much harder to weld on a new steerer.RonK wrote:Leaf T wrote: and a slammed stem in their promo material would instead actually cost sales.
Plus my legs are longer than average for my reach so the giraffe look gets me into a dynamic position only. I need a giraffe with a set of horns on his head LOL.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Stuntman » Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:20 pm
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Leaf T » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:27 pm
Who said slammed stem? Anyway I like my sprung saddle and the riding position is good for touring and helps with climbs. I guess unlike some I don't like to use an umbrella when it rainsRonK wrote:I suspect a high bar and upright position is exactly what many prospective buyers are looking for, and a slammed stem in their promo material would instead actually cost sales.Leaf T wrote:Perhaps Vivente would gain extra sales if they made the bikes look good in their promo material.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Espresso_ » Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:29 pm
I agree. And when one examines most touring bikes, it's obvious that aesthetics are generally not amongst the primary concerns of many buyers.RonK wrote:I suspect a high bar and upright position is exactly what many prospective buyers are looking for, and a slammed stem in their promo material would instead actually cost sales.
I'm no expert in frame geometry, but I'd suggest that altering the frame geometry to get a lower stack height could introduce other issues, like higher standover height for example.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Leaf T » Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:36 pm
Here's a pic of a lovely looking Dutch touring bike I found online. My fork tube is longer than this one.
And Mr and Mrs Leaf T's bikes. I've since changed the crankset, stem and bars on mine but height is about what it was in this pic.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby rifraf » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:56 pm
What is the bluish/purple 531 framed bike?
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Thu Mar 10, 2016 5:31 pm
Yes, the English could take some lessons from the Dutch on how to design a flat bar touring bike.Leaf T wrote:Here's a pic of a lovely looking Dutch touring bike I found online. My fork tube is longer than this one.
Notice how the clever Dutch design uses appropriate geometry and a long head tube to achieve height parity twixt bar and saddle without resorting to a towering stack.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby Leaf T » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:31 pm
The Surly LHT also has the taller head tube which is typical for touring type bikes. As mentioned earlier, when I had the opportunity to compare (admittedly over several shared beers) the similarity between my Thorn RT and his steel Santos Travel Master the difference was miniscule.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Thu Mar 10, 2016 7:59 pm
English designed Sabbath requires a 55mm stack to achieve height parity with the saddle. Both English and Dutch bike have alloy steerer tubes and are at the maximum stack height permitted by the fork manufacturer.Leaf T wrote:I did indeed. Although it does look a little "slammed". I'll look forward to seeing Vivente adopt this cleverness.
The Surly LHT also has the taller head tube which is typical for touring type bikes. As mentioned earlier, when I had the opportunity to compare (admittedly over several shared beers) the similarity between my Thorn RT and his steel Santos Travel Master the difference was miniscule.
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby rifraf » Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:11 pm
Have you dusted her off for a spin lately?
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby RonK » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:25 pm
The Sabbath is my number one bike - and is ridden at least twice per week. It's that other bike which is gathering dust - do you want it?rifraf wrote:About time we had another sampler of your tasty Sabbath RonK.
Have you dusted her off for a spin lately?
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby rifraf » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:42 am
Alas, as drool worthy beautiful as your Van Nic is, I'm going to have to pass.RonK wrote:The Sabbath is my number one bike - and is ridden at least twice per week. It's that other bike which is gathering dust - do you want it?rifraf wrote:About time we had another sampler of your tasty Sabbath RonK.
Have you dusted her off for a spin lately?
I can only have one bike at a time in my life and with owning a trailer, I insist on disk brakes.
Its simply non negotiable for me, although it doesn't stop me from sneaking into your blog site often to look longingly at your Van Nic.
Indeed I enjoy looking at your Sabbath too and could, in different circumstances see myself astride one as well.
I envy you your stable
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
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Postby RonK » Fri Mar 11, 2016 1:56 pm
If you mean the Sabbath and the VN Grant - they are both mine.grantw wrote:@ronk and @leafT I had to double take on those two photos of your respective bikes on the same location
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby grantw » Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:12 pm
RonK wrote:If you mean the Sabbath and the VN Grant - they are both mine.grantw wrote:@ronk and @leafT I had to double take on those two photos of your respective bikes on the same location
well that makes sense
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Re: Touring Ebay thread
Postby maxknott » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:15 am
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