Going tubeless

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Going tubeless

Postby uad782 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:46 pm

Hi Everyone,
I realise I am considerably behind the times but am thinking about going tubeless.

I have heard the term ghetto tubeless which I think refers to using non tubeless rims etc to go tubeless. Is this correct?

If I go something like Stan’s rims is that still Ghetto tubeless? Is it much more reliable? Or is UST still the only true tubeless system?

I have a set of WTB i23 rims for my Fargo and 2 tubeless tyres so I gather all I have to do is add sealant?

What happens if you get a flat in the middle of nowhere, do you just stick in a tube? I have seen those spikes Ronk has

Is it that much better as I have been using Schwable Mondial tyres and have had zero flats with them over the last 2 years. At 40 PSI they can transmit a fair bit of roughness though when on tracks such as the Old Ghost Road.

Any comments appreciated.

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby Cardy George » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:31 pm

I've gone Ghetto on my Big W 29er wheels and the difference was huge but ONLY because the new tyres are literally half the weight of the originals. If I had real wheels and tyres to start with the difference wouldn't be so large.

The sealant I'm using is a version of Wade's Secret Sauce (Google is your friend) and probably weighs about the same as the tubes it replaces. The benefit lies in not having the tube rubbing on the tyre causing friction losses.

I'm not familiar with the WTB rims, but a brief google search suggest to me to just add sealant and you're good.

As for what happens in the middle of no-where? You can definitely stick a tube in it. It's a bit messy but it beats walking!

Finally, from my experience, yes it is that much better. I ride over three corner jacks/goats heads daily and have never had to walk home, plus you can run much much lower pressures while maintaining the same rolling resistance, making the trails that little bit smoother.

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby Aushiker » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:29 am

I have done both, ghetto with a pair of Surly Marge Lite rims and now "proper" tubeless with a pair of Ollie 80s and the Giant PR2 rims on my Giant Defy. Oh the tyres on the Ollie 80s are not tubeless ready but they still seated nicely and ride fine.

I cannot see myself going back to tubes, more so with proper tubeless rims and tyres.

On the fatbike and because I bikepack I carry a small bottle of sealant as well as tube and oh a plug.

So far all good and it is nice to be able to run lower pressures particularly noticeable on the roadie.
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby uad782 » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:58 pm

Thanks. I think I am sold on tubeless!

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby RonK » Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:16 pm

uad782 wrote:I have a set of WTB i23 rims for my Fargo and 2 tubeless tyres so I gather all I have to do is add sealant?

Your Fargo would have been delivered with tubeless-ready rims but the original tyres would have been fitted with tubes.

I have seen on another forum that the rims only have ordinary rim tape installed. So you should check the rim tape and replace it with tubeless rim tape if necessary. Then you only need to add sealant.

Check this WTB page to determine what width rim tape is required for your rims.

I carry a small bottle of sealant, a tube, a plug kit, a tyre boot, a roll of unwaxed dental floss and a heavy darning needle in my touring toolkit. Close to home I only carry the plug kit.

Keep in mind that sealant dries over time so periodic top-ups are necessary. I'm using Stans sealant, but popular opinion is that Orange Seal lasts longer before drying up.
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby uad782 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:51 pm

Thanks again Ron

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby rifraf » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:31 pm

I went for a ride yesterday to deliver some mail to my landlord who lives in the same suburb.

It was nice to see two new sites on my front tire where white latex had made an appearance albeit without an accompanying loss of tire pressure.

My ghetto experiment appears to still be working although with all this heat we've been getting I'll not be surprised if the latex need changing soon.

:D
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby RonK » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:45 pm

rifraf wrote:I went for a ride yesterday to deliver some mail to my landlord who lives in the same suburb.

It was nice to see two new sites on my front tire where white latex had made an appearance albeit without an accompanying loss of tire pressure.

My ghetto experiment appears to still be working although with all this heat we've been getting I'll not be surprised if the latex need changing soon.

:D

Been wondering if you had done this yet or not. So, two punctures avoided already. :D
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby Cardy George » Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:00 pm

rifraf wrote:I went for a ride yesterday to deliver some mail to my landlord who lives in the same suburb.

It was nice to see two new sites on my front tire where white latex had made an appearance albeit without an accompanying loss of tire pressure.

My ghetto experiment appears to still be working although with all this heat we've been getting I'll not be surprised if the latex need changing soon.

:D


What sealant are you using?

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby rifraf » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:53 pm

Cardy George wrote:
What sealant are you using?


Stans, due to lots of comments online suggesting it "just works".

Its my first attempt with tubeless so I don't know enough to have formed an opinion.

I'd be asking those who'd tried a few. :)
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby rifraf » Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:57 pm

RonK wrote:Been wondering if you had done this yet or not. So, two punctures avoided already. :D


Yeah a hugely increased population has seen much more traffic and with that, a lot more litter and broken glass, to accompany an inexplicable increase in thorns in the areas I ride.

Saying that, I'm using some knobbled off road tires and not my more puncture resistant Schwalbe Mondails.

What remains to be seen is the manifestation of the latex going "off".
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby Telemike » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:03 pm

Tubeless works (almost always, depending on the specific tyre and rim interface). It reduces flats when mountainbiking from several a year to one every couple of years. It is normall lighter and reduces rolling friction.m Sure it dries out, but i don't top mine up until i get a flat every couple of years and it doesnt seal. Then i sling a tube in until i get home. Yes, it is a bit messy, but a lot less messy than mucking around with an oily chain and deraileur. I think you would go a long way to find any serious mountainbiker running tubes now. I see no reason why tourers shouldnt do the same unless you are running a very puncture resistant tyre.

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby RonK » Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:06 pm

Telemike wrote:I see no reason why tourers shouldnt do the same unless you are running a very puncture resistant tyre.

A very puncture resistant tyre is a very heavy tyre. Tubeless make much more sense.
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby uad782 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:32 pm

Thanks to Ronk I am seriously considering Stan’s newer S1 flow rims. They have a 29 mm width but I will probably only use 2.1 inch tyres.

Also wondering whether I should do a custom build or just get a wheel set. Are the Stan’s hubs any good?


Any comments appreciated.

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Re: Going tubeless

Postby queequeg » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:08 pm

Looks like I have a decision to make. I have a new set of wheels waiting for my new Adventure bike. They are tubeless ready rims and came with the tubeless valves, and I have some Panaracer Gravelking SK tyres to put on them, and those are apparently tubeless compatible as well. So, all I am missing is the sealant.It would certainly make more sense on a very long ride to not need to carry multiple spare tubes, so something I will need to explore when I do the bike build.
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Re: Going tubeless

Postby Warin » Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:24 am

I'd still carry tubes - one for each tyre. Reason: if you get a cut in the tyre you may not be able to seal it air tight .. but you should be able to put a tube in it and have enough strength in some patching to be able to pressurise the tube. And then there is the possibility of a dent in the rim ...

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