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Garmin Edge 1000

Postby RobGrinter » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:36 am

new Garmin Edge 1000 launched today.

Some neat new riding trip options, new landscape mode, live tracking of friends in your group, great for racing in your own group with leader-board pages. Also a nice remote control to give you a more hands off screen quick lap or screen change option.
With a 3" screen it is a lot wider and longer than the Edge 800/810, however it is also about 30% slimmer.
New Speed & Cadence sensors give up the need for magnets and hence require less maintenance and potential for drop-outs.
Smartphone connectivity with Alerts will help you to keep your phone tucked away for the whole ride.
All up looks like it will be the new standard in Cycle Computers. Not intended to replace the Edge 810, however with the small difference in price between the two, I cannot see many going for the older Edge 800 series option.

Some links to DCRainmakers first look review HERE

More info here including Pre-Ordering HERE
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby biker jk » Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:39 am

Personally I find it too large. Prefer the size of the 800. If you have a short stem there will be mounting problems. Not everyone wants to use an out front mount.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby simonn » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:10 am

Major features:

- New larger high resolution full color screen
- Addition of Shimano Di2 gearing information


Meh

- Incoming Call and Text notifications


Say What!?!?!


- Garmin Segment Real-Time Challenges (on device)
- WiFi added to device, full Bluetooth 4.0 chipset


Meh.

- Full and detailed maps included now


OSM FTW (and bank balance)!

- Added round trip routes (basically a ‘give me a surprise route’ option)


Depends on how it works, might be useful. Might also direct youdown scary main roads and motorways....?

Minor Features:
- Ability to change display to a horizontal orientation
- Downloads satellite data ahead of time to speed acquisition to a few seconds
- Increases data fields to 10 fields per page, up to custom 5 pages (+ lap summary, compass page, map pages)


May be useful. Certainly apparently more useful than the "major features". 10 data fields would be nice.

- Ability to edit saved workouts on the device itself
- Added training calendar support (for scheduled workouts)
- Added support for displaying PR’s in a menu


Meh. This is what a PC is for.

No compelling reason to upgrade from an 800. Length would be a pain when it comes to mounting with Ayups. Micro usb is a plus though (micro usb is designed to be plugged in and out a lot. Mini usb is not), although the plug does not seem to be so well positioned (compared to 800) for charging on the fly on longer rides (anything >= ~250km) - a bit of guess work there.

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Garmin Edge 1000

Postby kb » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:51 pm

- shorter battery life
- heavier
:-(

More resolution is nice but what I'd really like is something a bit more open or with hacked firmware. Not really Garmin's direction though...
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby il padrone » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:22 pm

Larger screen size sounds pretty good, but......

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Is it really much bigger ??
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby RobGrinter » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:00 pm

Whilst we haven't seen a Edge 1000 yet here in AU, I can say we have in our possession the new Garmin G8 Golf (new product as of last week), which is precisely the same housing and form factor as the Edge 1000 (less the twist mount on the rear) .

When passed around here against the Edge 810, the question is not about the size so much. Everyone agrees that the 1000 is bigger in height and width and is balanced out by the thickness and agrees that the screen real estate may well be useful, but the size of Edge 800/810 was OK anyway.

What is discussed is will the Edge 1000 overcome the dullness of the Edge 800 screen and further the lack of it being addressed in the Edge 810. To not fix it in the 810 was the largest disappointment. In sunlight, these 800/810 units can be painful.
However we suspect based on the G8 Golf screen being the same as the Edge 1000, If you are even remotely sight challenged then you will no doubt appreciate the size of the screen combined with the higher resolution and brightness in daylight, on that score it is way way better.

In one sentence, the screen real estate, graphics, vibrancy and brightness is a huge improvement. It is what the 810 should always have been, but wasnt !
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby g-boaf » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:04 pm

My Edge 800 still does the job. I've not even upgraded the firmware from new. If it isn't broken... :D

I'll try to ignore this new one and save the bank balance. ;)

I'm waiting to see the uproar of the segments feature. :lol:

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby bychosis » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:37 pm

g-boaf wrote:My Edge 800 still does the job. I've not even upgraded the firmware from new. If it isn't broken... :D

I'll try to ignore this new one and save the bank balance. ;)

I'm waiting to see the uproar of the segments feature. :lol:


Need to encourage 'everyone' to get one of these new bits of gear, so there are more of the perfectly good ones (800-810) in the used marketplace. Not that I'm not happy with my newlyy purchased 2nd hand 705!
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby toolonglegs » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:56 pm

My 705 is still going strong... No wonder they still command such a good price on fleabay.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby kb » Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:15 pm

il padrone wrote:Larger screen size sounds pretty good, but......

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Is it really much bigger ??


From memory
2.7in -> 3in
160x240px -> 240x400px
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby ausrandoman » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:14 pm

I could be interested if it overcomes these problems with the 810:
- map screens too small and cluttered
- route usually indistinguishable from the clutter on the screen
- heart rate monitor is a random number generator with mean approximately equal to actual heart rate and standard deviation of 15 bpm
- cadence sensor produces frequent spikes of ridiculous numbers

Garmin make moderately entertaining toys but, when I am doing serious rides, I use a cheap basic Polar heart rate monitor and an antique Cateye bike computer.
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby HAKS » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:15 pm

I like the SMS/Call notification bit. Many a times I have arrived home to the wife asking why I haven't answered her 10s of calls needing some help with something :shock:. Maybe I can convince her to pay for the upgrade since it will benefit her :lol:
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby li2099 » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:24 pm

The screen is what attracts me the most although looking at the price, our street price will be +$700 :o

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby HAKS » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:38 pm

li2099 wrote:The screen is what attracts me the most although looking at the price, our street price will be +$700 :o


Link in the first post has Au $. Unit alone $699, Unit + accessories/maps $799
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby Baalzamon » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:16 pm

HAKS wrote:I like the SMS/Call notification bit. Many a times I have arrived home to the wife asking why I haven't answered her 10s of calls needing some help with something :shock:. Maybe I can convince her to pay for the upgrade since it will benefit her :lol:


I got the solution to that now. I keep my phone in a Relevate Gas Tank Bag. So I don't see a need to upgrade my 810 to a 1000 for that feature, and I don't need a bigger screen. Now if they had released the 1000 when they did the 810 I may have gone the 1000, but not now. I'll keep this for a few years then upgrade if I want to.
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby RobGrinter » Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Baalzamon wrote:
HAKS wrote:I like the SMS/Call notification bit. Many a times I have arrived home to the wife asking why I haven't answered her 10s of calls needing some help with something :shock:. Maybe I can convince her to pay for the upgrade since it will benefit her :lol:


I got the solution to that now. I keep my phone in a Relevate Gas Tank Bag. So I don't see a need to upgrade my 810 to a 1000 for that feature, and I don't need a bigger screen. Now if they had released the 1000 when they did the 810 I may have gone the 1000, but not now. I'll keep this for a few years then upgrade if I want to.


Known in the electronics world as "Model Skip".

eg. "I just bought an iPhone 4 and its working fine, so the new iPhone 5 model wont do anything for me, I will wait for the iPhone 6".

Helps to justify ones expensive outlay.

Totally agree with your analogy, however it appears to me that this Edge 1000 is significantly better and there is little reason to buy an Edge 810 whilst this is out. If the 810 drops in price significantly, then it may have a place still.
BTW, the Edge 500 is still a ripper model, best release ever and at $189, is huge bang for buck.
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:51 am

It really is time Garmin had another crack at the Garmin phone - there is a genuine need in the marketplace for a mobile phone with superior battery life and superior GPS tracking. Cutting back heavily on the screen isn't an unacceptable compromise to get the right size and lift; if they don't do it then some brilliant alternatives like the Pebble could start being mounted in front of handlebars. Building .5 second files wouldn't be a bad idea either as powermeters get more popular, and let's face it - .5 seconds means KOMs. There is a MUCH bigger market for better sample rates than they appreciate.

It's somewhat ironic that the delayed release of the SRM PC8 is a serious constraint IMO to the overall story. It's also hell expensive, but the PC7 is just way too short on features. The competition stops being just GPS once you ask for 700 bucks... we have to stop and think "what do I actually need this for?" once the price gets high enough. I would hope people would consider power meters, or carbon SMPs, because a Garmin is just a GPS, and it's not even the best option for some tasks. Who uses an Edge in the pro peloton? Who uses the PC7?

If they can't get a mobile happening, or be a PC8 replacement (this won't be), then they should be shrinking and lightening the Edge 500. I totally see the value in this (compared to an 810) but the $$ signs without much in the way of "must have" featureset, that can't be copied with an iPhone, is making me think Emperor's New Clothes :shock:

Edit: after a sleep, I am now resolved by this one key point. The edge series can be defined by what it CAN'T do, rather than what it can, or could do, at this point in time. It's reasonable to think it should have seamless Strava integration, it should actively tell you about the SMS details etc, it should be BT ready right now, should have suffer fest integration, WKO integration, even better power metrics like 5 minute normalised power, one hour power, integrated FTP tests in the workouts, tell you who was the fastest on a segment for the ride at the coffee shop instead of at home after the upload, and the ability to truly customise the menu. I want my 30s power to be taking up half my screen! Custom lap functions too. I ride to the race, then ride home the long way, I want my 130kms in one file, but I need the average power/hr of my 4 lap race to be visible in real time, and not combined with the ride to the race. Easy to achieve splitting the files, but Strava hurts you when you do that. It should have all the running data available as well.
I think saving a file in the background as a backup for a crash would be reasonable at 600 bucks too.

Methinks they just aren't imagining the possibilities or they just don't ride enough and do enough market research. What I am asking for is high end use, true. But it's a high end product.
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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby skull » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:26 am

It's too big.

I find the 500 the perfect size. The 800 and 810 were already too big. The 510 was starting to push it on size for me too.

May as well stick an iPad on your bars.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby simonn » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:02 am

Xplora wrote:I want my 130kms in one file, but I need the average power/hr of my 4 lap race to be visible in real time, and not combined with the ride to the race.


You can do this with laps and garmin connect. The reason why strava cannot do this is because Garmin doesn't release all the specs of their fit format, apparently.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby Xplora » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:46 am

How so Simon? Just to clarify, I can do all the analysis at home without drama, it's onboard that I want the info. so it would be structured thus:

Ride to race 20km - av power
Race lap 1>>
Race lap 2>> av power for each lap, and for the race as a whole, excluding the first 20km
Race lap 3>>
Race lap 4>>

Ride home 60kms >> av power

This has enormous potential, if you wanted to check an average power over a climb, you hit the lap button, and then can regroup for the next climb, ensuring you don't blow up. The key is that you might want to be able to exclude a large chunk of ride beforehand, because my 180W to the start of the climb isn't much of a concern compared to the 350W x 10 minutes four times up the hill (or doing hill repeats). If you consider the normality of a warm up, then several discrete work intervals, then cool down, what I'm talking about makes sense. I am guessing this wouldn't be crazy hard to implement, as long as you let the rider create laps and sublaps. With a touchscreen, not so hard. Wouldn't try and do it with a 500 though.

Like I said... cyclists actually want that data if they are training or racing. You can't get it from a PC7.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby Ross » Fri Apr 11, 2014 6:31 pm

Xplora - Garmin are hardly going to make the !000 compatible with Strava as it's the opposition product to Garmin Connect. Like saying Holden should make their motors fit Fords as well.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby r11ss » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:26 pm

I would say Garmin sell a good proportion of their devices because of Strava, making them compatible would not have detrimental effect on sales.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby chucknitro » Fri Apr 11, 2014 7:30 pm

r11ss wrote:I would say Garmin sell a good proportion of their devices because of Strava, making them compatible would not have detrimental effect on sales.

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Garmin Edge 1000

Postby toolonglegs » Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:22 pm

+1 ... Strava must have boosted their sales enormously, in US / UK / Aus / NZ it might have plateaued a bit, but in Europe it is only just starting to build up in numbers.

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Re: Garmin Edge 1000

Postby DuncanS » Fri Apr 11, 2014 9:27 pm

I'm a tad disillusioned that everything about garmin's "connected" framework is so friggen buggy, yet they are intent on locking in the "social media" choice with the device choice. I think it's only a matter of time before there's a credible option for the device (bike computer) that's open or aligned with Strava and less buggy and Garmin bike computers will go the way of Blackberry.

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