Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

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Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:25 am

Now I know that some on here have successfully bought and used frames from Chinese suppliers ** without issue.

I myself have some MTB 29er rims from Farsports that have served me well over the years without issue (and used them on the road with 25 & 28C tyres), so have taken the dabble.

What I am interested in getting some feedback on, is handlebars. I'm specifically looking at something like the aero Easton EC70/90 versions which are normally $250 - $350 or Zipp SL70 Aero for the genuine items, but $60 for the chinese manufactured ones.

Who has had experience, Good and bad, with this type of carbon gear ?

Happy for feedback and recommended (or not) suppliers.

If all you do is cast aspersions and catastrophise without experience that is relevant, I'd rather not hear about it.

Thanks :D 8)


** = I define 'Chinese suppliers' as those that are non-mainstream factories where carbon parts are made (frames, rims, bars, seats, stems etc) like Yishun, Farsports, Light Bicycle etc just to name a few
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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby Duck! » Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:17 pm

I recently put a Carbonal handlebar on my MTB. I've only ridden it twice so far, so long term remains to be seen. It is noticeably springier than the FSA bar it replaced, but a lot of that will be due to being 80mm longer.

Although the bar hasn't been tested long term, I have a pair of rims that I've been riding for nearly three years, and a friend has a MTB frame and pair of road rims from the same manufacturer, and all have been flawless.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:29 pm

Duck! wrote:I recently put a Carbonal handlebar on my MTB. ....


What were they like to deal with ?

Thanks for the feedback

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby MattyK » Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:48 pm

oz cycle on youtube bought and demoed one (an integrated stem/bar unit). It was a total banana. And he is a big fan of cheap Chinese wheels...

Can't really be more useful on your topic though. I do like my carbon Colnago bars that I got for $15 :D Light, stiff, and probably came out of an Asian factory somewhere...

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby AUbicycles » Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:28 pm

The thing about cheap carbon fiber is the layup - you don't necessarily know what grade carbon fiber is used - how it is being layed up and if it is fit.

This can mean there is over compensation, too many layers and too much resin. But also the layup and placement and direction of the carbon fiber can be more random - so it bends more where it shouldn't and is stiffer where it should be.

But you don't always know - may of the main 'chinese direct' wheels have been doing fairly well with their wheels so the warping and teething problems with quality are now less common. The pragmatic approach is to look through the cycling forums across the globe and search for that brand and see if you can get info. You could even attempt to ask the supplier about their layup and material selection.

In other words - with a brand name, as a rider you are assuming their quality is up to paar.

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby trailgumby » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:16 pm

Can't be any worse than Easton's own EC90 handlebars.

I bought a set of 700mm EC90 flat bars for my Scalpel from Wiggle, and followed the instructions, torquing up the handlebar clamp on the stem to what was printed on the bar end of the stem, roughly 5Nm,

They were dreadfully flexy - far, far from confidence inspiring. I was so alarmed I elected to walk a number of obstacles I normally just blast through. Whipped them off after 1 lap of Manly Dam. Normally I'd go for 3.

Then I discovered the bar clamp area was crushed as well. Wiggle wouldn't warranty them. I highly doubt the crushed clamp area contributed to the flex. After being a long-time satisfied user of Easton's EC70 range of bars and seatposts, I was extremely confused and disappointed.

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby Duck! » Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:56 pm

MichaelB wrote:
Duck! wrote:I recently put a Carbonal handlebar on my MTB. ....


What were they like to deal with ?

Thanks for the feedback

I've found them prretty good to deal with, just be wary that if your order happens to coincide with a holiday period in China it can take some time for orders to be despatched. Their communications man Jason seems well-educated in English, so you're not trying to decipher some weird "Chinglish" like you can get from some sources.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.

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Re: Chinese manufacred carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:12 pm

Cheers.

Carbonal don’t do the style of bars that I am after.

Thanks for the tips Christopher

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:18 am

Yeah, yeah yeah. Should've listened to the advice of others anmd used the "common sense" that I've often sprouted on about .... :roll: :oops:

On the way home from yesterdays ride, go over a slight wallow in the road (where they had trenched for a cable/pipe) that I'd been over many many times before and "CRACK". :shock: :shock:

Stop and look and find this ...

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It made for a long, nervous and slow descent home :x

Just over 100km and toast. Counting my lucky stars that they didn't actually break.

Learned a valuable lesson (and yes, I know/read of some failures of reputable products, but many less than the 'copies'), so my original 3T Ergonova pro bars going back on.

:|

Will be contacting the seller and see what he has to say. Standby to standby.

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby NASHIE » Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:51 am

Glad you didn’t hit the deck. There must be some nasty injury’s due to cheap bling.

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:02 pm

NASHIE wrote:Glad you didn’t hit the deck. There must be some nasty injury’s due to cheap bling.


Me too !!!

Valuable 'near miss'.

Will NOT do that again ...

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby jules21 » Mon Nov 19, 2018 12:32 pm

what brand/model were they Michael?

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby biker jk » Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:39 pm

jules21 wrote:what brand/model were they Michael?


Chinelli?

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby madmacca » Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:06 pm

MichaelB wrote:Yeah, yeah yeah. Should've listened to the advice of others anmd used the "common sense" that I've often sprouted on about .... :roll: :oops:

On the way home from yesterdays ride, go over a slight wallow in the road (where they had trenched for a cable/pipe) that I'd been over many many times before and "CRACK". :shock: :shock:

Stop and look and find this ...

Image

It made for a long, nervous and slow descent home :x

Just over 100km and toast. Counting my lucky stars that they didn't actually break.

Learned a valuable lesson (and yes, I know/read of some failures of reputable products, but many less than the 'copies'), so my original 3T Ergonova pro bars going back on.

:|

Will be contacting the seller and see what he has to say. Standby to standby.


Scary!

A timely reminder for https://www.bikebiz.com/features/cream-competent-cowboy

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:05 am

jules21 wrote:what brand/model were they Michael?


They were branded 'toseek'. Seller was time0spce.

To be fair to the seller, it's not his issue (but where he got it from). I've contacted him, but received no response yet, and it's past the 45 days, so can't pursue via Paypal.

Lesson learnt, two ways !!

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby Neddysmith » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:31 am

I been riding what i assume is a Chinese made made as i bought it second hand, unsure of how many KMs it did before me I have done 6k on it and hasnt missed a beat, feels stiff, compliant and fast. Although I have to admit that i haven;t riden many other bikes to compare it to. However, in this time i have had 2 mates with reputable brand carbon bikes both fail on them. Mine weighs in at bout 7.85kg for a 58cm frame with pedals, cages, bell, light and computer mounts running shimano 105 and gatorskin tyres. so would think to get very close to 7 without pedals would not be too hard.

Maybe i have been lucky i don't know, but for the price i paid and the weight and performance of the bike i cant fault it.

I think all you can do is do your research online of some reputable no name generic frame manufacturers and go from there.

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Postby jules21 » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:36 am

Neddysmith wrote:I been riding what i assume is a Chinese made made as i bought it second hand, unsure of how many KMs it did before me I have done 6k on it and hasnt missed a beat,

I've put 35,000km on a Hong Fu and it has been fine. As Michael's experience shows though, that isn't always the case. I can get mine down to 7.5kg with a 1kg wheelset.

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Re: Chinese manufactured carbon handlebars ?

Postby MichaelB » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:21 am

It can be a lottery either way. I’ve also had some Far Sports 29er rims that are great.

Know of many others that have had good results with Chinese’s sourced items too.

Meh.

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