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Help out a noob

Postby CB » Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:55 pm

Ok, I want to preface this thread by letting everyone know that I'm a total cycling newbie, and know basically nothing. Go easy on me.

I am however, quite enthusiastic about buying a good road bike somewhere around the $2000 mark. I was looking at an Avanti Giro which, to someone like me, seems good.

But then when I mentioned this to a cyclist friend of mine, she strongly warned me off Avanti's, citing a story she knew about a guy who had a fairly minor crash on one and the frame snapped in two.

Is this something to be concerned about? What is Avanti's reputation? Is the Giro a good starting bike for someone who is physically very fit but hasn't done much cycling? If I progress quite quickly with my riding, will it still be a good enough bike?

And any general pointers about what to look for in a bike (weight? materials etc. etc.) would be helpful.

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Postby europa » Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:26 pm

Oh gawd. A TOTAL new chum :D

Mate, you have come to the right place. If you haven't already achieved the requisite level of insanity to cycle effectively, we will drive you there very quickly :D

Welcome to the asylum mate. The mountain bike riders think they're outside the asylum but that's just because they occupy a secret place within the nut house :roll:

Now, your questions.

Avanti are a good brand. Don't be scared of them. I'm sure someone somewhere has had a bad experience but they are a good brand and you need have no fear of buying an Avanti.

Second, at this point, you have no idea what you need in cycling, nor of what you will be doing in cycling. Once we get on these here bikes, we start to use them in ways we never envisioned. More, as we develop cycling fitness (it uses a different set of muscles to swimming or running), the bike that suits us changes. There's not a lot you can do about this, but I think you need to accept that the right bike now will not be the right bike in a year's time. Yes, I too have suffered this - fortunately, in my case, it only came down to frame size but I too go caught.

Don't go out and buy the first bike. Go look at lots and lots of bikes. At the price range you are looking at, you will NOT buy a bad bike. All bikes in that price range are good bikes. Some will be better value than others, some will be better machines than others. However, they will all be good bikes.

So, do a lot of looking and consider a variety of types of bike.
Look at a lot of shops and listen to a lot of differing opinions.

Somewhere down the track, and this often happens very quickly, you will start to recognise when the salesman is selling you a load of bulldust. That is part of the point of doing all the looking - fine tuning your bulldust meter.

At some point, you will find yourself heading to the same section of whatever shop you walk into - this is when you are starting to understand what it is your heart really wants.

The bike you buy should be the bike you fall in love with, from the shop that treats you best, not in monetary terms, but in terms of listening to you and giving you what you want. You'll know when this happens. If you have any doubts, keep looking.

But at some point, you will walk into a shop, see the machine your heart tells you to buy from a salesman you 'click' with.
THAT is the time to hand over the money.

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Re: Help out a noob

Postby Mulger bill » Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:53 pm

G'Day CB, welcome to the outside etc...

CB wrote:Ok, I want to preface this thread by letting everyone know that I'm a total cycling newbie, and know basically nothing. Go easy on me.


Not a problem mate, this place is the nicest bike forum I could find after weeks of looking, I've only seen a few flames launched in my time and the site admins are damn good with a firehose :)

Europa wrote:The mountain bike riders think they're outside the asylum but that's just because they occupy a secret place within the nut house


Some people haven't been riding MTBs long enough yet to realise that everything outside of the ride is crazy :wink:

All I can do ATM is agree with Richard, the right bike for you is the one that whispers at you from the rack in the right shop, the one that haunts your dreams. I'm a Giant rider, MTB and Road and love them both like my kids but if they or any other bike doesn't work for you, keep looking.
The right bike will make you want to ride more, ride further, just ride for the sake of riding 'cos it just feels so damn right under your bum.

Good luck with the hunt mate, don't forget to roll past once in a while, the kettles always on. :D

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Postby daj » Sat Aug 04, 2007 8:55 am

hey,

currently looking for a my first road bike myself around the same sort of price range. One of the differences I've noticed is the slightly more expensive bikes have a smaller compact font chainring. Pretty sure the giro has this too off the top of my head. I'll definatly be looking for this on the bike I buy as coming off an MTB and riding in the hills it will make a big difference to the enjoyment I go out of my rides. Might be worth a thought if your new to cycling when your looking round the shops.
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Postby thomas_cho » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:07 pm

Welcome to the forum.

I am not the sort that is in tune with my inner voice.

At the $2000 mark, I dont think you will get anything that will collapse under you in normal circumstances.

Compact chainrings are not a sign of "upgraded features". Rather its a sign of something that suits the masses more.

But it raises a good point in that it is wise to think about the kind of riding you would want to do on your new bike, just casual riding with the weekend bunch? Racing?

There will be some bikes which are designed for comfort like Giant OCR range. Generally the OCR gives the rider a more upright riding position, and has wider chainstays to allow wider tyres (more comfort, I got 28C tyres on mine). The Giant TCR has a more race position, and I think you can only fit 700X23C tyres on them.

Most major bike brands will have models that generally fit into the above moulds.

The danger about visiting bike shops and listening to your inner voice, is that very soon, your budget becomes meaningless. Take care. Dont forget to budget for things like shoes, and maybe an upgrade to the stock saddle, and maybe even wheels. Good luck.
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Postby nimm » Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:30 pm

These "i'm a noob, what should I buy" threads have been coming up quite a bit, take a look at the past couple weeks for a lot of similar responses.

make sure to budget in extras over the bike, you're going to be looking at ~$500+ if you want a bike computer, shoes, lights, clothes, pump, tubes, repair kit, etc...

I have a Giant OCR 1.0 (2006) and it's absolutely fantastic. The only negative for me is there are no rear-pannier mounting holes. On hindsight I may have gone with something like Richard's Trek520 touring bike as I'm interested in more than just fitness riding.
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Postby Kalgrm » Sat Aug 04, 2007 1:28 pm

Hey, we mountain bikers don't think we are outside the asylum, we just think outside the box more often! :lol:

I agree with Richard - the budget you have is good enough that you will not be buying a bad bike from any maker. (Unless you want to buy my 20 year old tourer - I'll sell it to you For $1990. :wink: )

You should read between the lines of Richard wrote and define what you are planning to do with you bike before buying. The requirements of a bike are determined by the uses you envisage. Are you planning to compete? Are you mainly buying a commuting bike? Does mountain biking appeal? If you have these answers at the ready before walking into the shop, you'll be in a better position to assess the level of BS the LBS is peddling.

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Postby Bluerider » Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:59 pm

As nimm mentioned lots of Noobs ! Yep I'm one :)
Mate there's plenty on offer at the $2k....
Depends what you want if its racing as others have said, test and look heaps and importantly you come across a sales guy you like.
OCR's are great as is the TCR Alliance 2, on special in Syd $1850.00
Many brands are on sale due to new models out shortly so it's a great time to buy.
Good luck and as others have said test a few and you will come off one and know "she's the one"....
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Postby CB » Sat Aug 04, 2007 9:07 pm

Ah thanks everyone.

As far as what I'm planning to do with the bike, mostly just riding around for the sake of it, perhaps a bit of commuting, and knowing how competitive I am I will probably have to try some racing when I get my cycling legs.

Mulger Bill (from eagle hawk?) I know what you mean about having a bike that you just want! I've been looking at bike p0rn on the freedommachine website all arvo haha.

anyway I'll let you all know how the search goes.

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Postby postiechic » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:40 pm

I test rode an Avanti Giro today...I liked it. Also there are some good bargains to be found amongst the Avanti range.
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Postby CB » Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:50 am

mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it
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Postby europa » Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:56 am

If you want sympathy, you're not going to get it.
If you want us to stop you, it's not going to happen.
If you want empathy, you've got it :D

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Postby mikesbytes » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:08 am

CB wrote:mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it


Can you afford it ?
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Postby sogood » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:13 am

CB wrote:mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it

Do you want to see a CF Cervelo or Cannondale or Bianchi or Specialized...

Unless you have real deep pockets and unlimited budget, you need to learn to control your urges in cycling.
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Postby europa » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:38 am

mikesbytes wrote:
CB wrote:mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it


Can you afford it ?


Don't change the subject Mike :D

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Postby Mulger bill » Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:54 am

Wanting is easy

Convincing the minister of finance is the hard part. :roll:

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Postby mikesbytes » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:02 am

sogood wrote:
CB wrote:mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it

Do you want to see a CF Cervelo or Cannondale or Bianchi or Specialized...

Unless you have real deep pockets and unlimited budget, you need to learn to control your urges in cycling.


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Postby europa » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:04 am

Mulger bill wrote:Convincing the minister of finance is the hard part. :roll:

Shaun


Being single, I have no problems there - my cat agrees with everything I suggest ... or he won't get fed :twisted:

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Postby Mulger bill » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:09 am

Sorry Richard, the cat is only letting you think you are in charge and I bet it doesn't have an income you can raid for indispensables. Cats are mean like that. :roll:

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Postby europa » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:18 am

Mulger bill wrote:Sorry Richard, the cat is only letting you think you are in charge and I bet it doesn't have an income you can raid for indispensables. Cats are mean like that. :roll:

Shaun


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Postby Mulger bill » Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:26 am

It is easier that way...

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Postby CB » Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:48 pm

mikesbytes wrote:
CB wrote:mmm im looking at the carbonio 1.0 at the moment.

I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it I want it


Can you afford it ?

yeah i can, but im saving for travel at the moment so will probably wait till I get back and see how much money I have left. will have to pay full rather than sale price then which will cost me and extra $500 but at least i'll have the 08 model.
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