Re: The Overseas Purchasing Debate
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:30 pm
Why I love shopping online ... innovation
Andrew
Andrew
BNA - For the Australian Cycling Community
http://www.bicycles.net.au/forums/
Hopefully now fixed.il padrone wrote:(BTW, the youtube link did not show up for me, had to look at your source code.)
Makes me wonder we're they are getting their stock from.boss wrote:The prices on the consumables you mention aren't as far out as you suggest.
I buy gp4000s tyres for $49 from a local bike shop. Cell and CE often have sub $40 deals.
My yellow cleats were $25 from my local.
Haven't bought a DA chain. But they're $53 from my local.
I am a pragmatist on this. I shop local when it makes sense, and I try to always check prices.
I think Australia Post has a similar thng in some cities already? Good idea linking it with a supermarket so that people buy stuff while they are collecting their parcels.Aushiker wrote:Why I love shopping online ... innovation
Andrew
My LBS in Adelaide has an online store and delivers to my work either same or next dayRoss wrote:Well you must have good LBS' that do good prices. It's not only about price, it's about range, variety and convenience. I can sit at the computer and in a matter of minutes compare prices and availablity for a dozen shops, press the button to order and generally the goods will turn up on my doorstep within a week. With a LBS you have to ride/drive 20 or more kilometres to the nearest one, find somewhere to park (maybe have to pay to park), wait for the sales assistant to finish serving other customers to find out the product(s) you want are twice the price of o/s or aren't in stock.
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... oad-cleats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Club price $36 RRP $40
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... peed-chain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $87 RRP $89.99
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... yre-700x23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $48 RRP $99.99 (price isn't actually too bad on these but most LBS sell them for around $100)
If I owned a business which depended upon dealing with Shimano Australia, I'd call around and gather support from other shop owners in a similar situation.jcjordan wrote:Makes me wonder we're they are getting their stock from.
As of 2 months ago shimano Australia whole sale prime on a DA chain was $58
The problem is that they hold the strongest card in the deck. If you don't buy from us then we won't deal with any warranty. You can easily be stuck with OEM bikes where y out have to pay for replacement parks. Don't forget that they get a % of OEM bits on bikes as well. If they stop dealing with you you could find yourself not being able to stock and shimano fitted bikes.rkelsen wrote:If I owned a business which depended upon dealing with Shimano Australia, I'd call around and gather support from other shop owners in a similar situation.jcjordan wrote:Makes me wonder we're they are getting their stock from.
As of 2 months ago shimano Australia whole sale prime on a DA chain was $58
Then, once I have the support of as many fellow shop owners as I can find, I'd organise a meeting with Shimano Australia to try and hammer out a better deal. You have a [virtual] bottomless pit of evidence when it comes to significantly lower prices for the same product.
You have to be prepared to threaten to walk out en-masse. If the current situation is allowed to continue, everyone will lose. Shop owners, customers and Shimano. Everyone.
You can change things. Don't just sit around crying about it.
I'm not talking about just 6 or 7 fellow shop owners. I'd call every single authorised Shimano dealer in Melbourne [or your capital city].jcjordan wrote:The problem is that they hold the strongest
Get ten shop owners in a room and you'll get 14 opinions on how to fix their woes.rkelsen wrote:I'm not talking about just 6 or 7 fellow shop owners. I'd call every single authorised Shimano dealer in Melbourne [or your capital city].jcjordan wrote:The problem is that they hold the strongest
The threat has to be real.
And there's always SRAM...
Some of the German stores like bike24, starbike and Rose Versand stock a full range of gear with a much greater focus on touring and commuter bikes and components.Ross wrote:Wiggle is just one shop, there are many others but they tend to only stock parts for road and mountain bikes and not much if anything for hybrid type bikes. On the right hand side of the BNA home page there is a listing of a few online shops.
Maybe... But how many of them would say "no" to pricing which allows them to properly compete with the online market?boss wrote:Get ten shop owners in a room and you'll get 14 opinions on how to fix their woes.
Get ten shop owners and you'll have 14 variations of no.rkelsen wrote:Maybe... But how many of them would say "no" to pricing which allows them to properly compete with the online market?boss wrote:Get ten shop owners in a room and you'll get 14 opinions on how to fix their woes.
Find a place that does good coffee?boss wrote:Get ten shop owners and you'll have 14 variations of no.rkelsen wrote:Maybe... But how many of them would say "no" to pricing which allows them to properly compete with the online market?boss wrote:Get ten shop owners in a room and you'll get 14 opinions on how to fix their woes.
What you're proposing (shop owners getting together en masse) sounds nice but I don't think it will happen.
I know.boss wrote:What you're proposing (shop owners getting together en masse) sounds nice but I don't think it will happen.
I don't think that many shop owners hang out on forums... industry love to blame forum for their issues too.rkelsen wrote:I know.boss wrote:What you're proposing (shop owners getting together en masse) sounds nice but I don't think it will happen.
It's much easier to just hang around internet forums all day whinging about your problems and blaming the government for them...
Bicycle Express?boss wrote:My LBS in Adelaide has an online store and delivers to my work either same or next dayRoss wrote:Well you must have good LBS' that do good prices. It's not only about price, it's about range, variety and convenience. I can sit at the computer and in a matter of minutes compare prices and availablity for a dozen shops, press the button to order and generally the goods will turn up on my doorstep within a week. With a LBS you have to ride/drive 20 or more kilometres to the nearest one, find somewhere to park (maybe have to pay to park), wait for the sales assistant to finish serving other customers to find out the product(s) you want are twice the price of o/s or aren't in stock.
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... oad-cleats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Club price $36 RRP $40
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... peed-chain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $87 RRP $89.99
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... yre-700x23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $48 RRP $99.99 (price isn't actually too bad on these but most LBS sell them for around $100)
Shimano DURA-ACE CN-7801 Chain RRP$89.95 Bargain Bin $54.95 ($36 o/s)These prices only available online
Yeah BE's. You rattled off a few consumables and I let you know the prices I paid for similar locally above.Ross wrote:Bicycle Express?boss wrote:My LBS in Adelaide has an online store and delivers to my work either same or next dayRoss wrote:Well you must have good LBS' that do good prices. It's not only about price, it's about range, variety and convenience. I can sit at the computer and in a matter of minutes compare prices and availablity for a dozen shops, press the button to order and generally the goods will turn up on my doorstep within a week. With a LBS you have to ride/drive 20 or more kilometres to the nearest one, find somewhere to park (maybe have to pay to park), wait for the sales assistant to finish serving other customers to find out the product(s) you want are twice the price of o/s or aren't in stock.
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... oad-cleats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Club price $36 RRP $40
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... peed-chain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $87 RRP $89.99
http://99bikes.com.au/shop/accessories/ ... yre-700x23" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; $48 RRP $99.99 (price isn't actually too bad on these but most LBS sell them for around $100)
Not a lot cheap there.
Shimano DURA-ACE CN-7801 Chain RRP$89.95 Bargain Bin $54.95 ($36 o/s)These prices only available online
Shimano Ultegra PD-6700-C Pedals RRP $279.95 Bargain Bin $207.61 ($93 o/s)
Shimano RS30 Wheelset RRP $399.95 Bargain Bin $319.96 ($250 o/s)
Shimano DURA-ACE 9000 C24 CL Wheelset $1,299.00 $1,299.00 ($850 o/s)
This IS what needs to happen if retailers want the change to happen with minimal pain. Otherwise parallel importing will continue and retailers loyal to Shimano Australia will hurt big time.rkelsen wrote:I'm not talking about just 6 or 7 fellow shop owners. I'd call every single authorised Shimano dealer in Melbourne [or your capital city].jcjordan wrote:The problem is that they hold the strongest
The threat has to be real.
And there's always SRAM...
I think this was a recent announcement by Australia Post of redesign and modifications to post office services to be made in future to cope with the boom in parcel orders due to on-line retail. Not yet happening.Ross wrote:I think Australia Post has a similar thng in some cities already?Aushiker wrote:Why I love shopping online ... innovation
Andrew