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Not another pedal question...

Postby Cadel » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:26 pm

Hi,

Just wondering if anyone has tried both Shimano R540 and the 105 SPD SL (or Ultegra) and noticed a big difference?
To me they look the same and apart from the weight saving can't really explain the price difference :roll:
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby usernameforme » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:38 pm

Shimano R540 and 105 5700 here,

The 105 has much less float, has better bearings and requires less tension to get the "tension" (the clicking out difficulty) I want. The finish of the 105 is also nicer, with a metal plate instead of a plastic one for the body
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Rex Chan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:28 pm

I thought float was due to the cleats used, and not the pedal?

Also, release tension is adjustable on the pedal body. I went with 105 cos not much price diff ~40 vs ~$60, and aforementioned metalness.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby usernameforme » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:14 am

The R540 has an extra 3 degrees of float built in
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Xplora » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:15 am

I'm absolutely HATING my entry level SPDs (actually, I'm going to swap them over today with my good SPDs, it's making me angry just thinking about it) because Shimano is prepared to let customers suck it and see when it comes to clipless. If you are seriously tight, don't get anything. I'd save the extra 20 bucks and get the metal Ultegra pedal because they DO spin a million times better. Get them online, you're laughing.
It's a worthwhile investment because you'll be able to sell them easier, and honestly, you just don't want ANY problems with your entry and exit on clipless.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Cadel » Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:10 pm

Thanks guys,

I think I will wait until my current R540 die and then buy the 105s :mrgreen:
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Reman » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:35 pm

Xplora wrote:I'm absolutely HATING my entry level SPDs (actually, I'm going to swap them over today with my good SPDs, it's making me angry just thinking about it) because Shimano is prepared to let customers suck it and see when it comes to clipless. If you are seriously tight, don't get anything. I'd save the extra 20 bucks and get the metal Ultegra pedal because they DO spin a million times better. Get them online, you're laughing.
It's a worthwhile investment because you'll be able to sell them easier, and honestly, you just don't want ANY problems with your entry and exit on clipless.


You do realise the only difference between the different SPD levels (at least the M series) is the axle and cosmetic changes? That's why I got the M520s, not worth the extra cost.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby warthog1 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:50 pm

The R540's won't die they'll just keep going and going. What they will do is wear out the plastic wear plate in a short period of time and the cleats will then commence eating into the body of the pedal resulting in vertical play between the pedal and cleat/shoe. Get rid of them and upgrage to the 5700 or 6700 with the broad stainless steel wear plate. You wont regret it.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Xplora » Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:11 pm

Reman wrote:
Xplora wrote:I'm absolutely HATING my entry level SPDs (actually, I'm going to swap them over today with my good SPDs, it's making me angry just thinking about it) because Shimano is prepared to let customers suck it and see when it comes to clipless. If you are seriously tight, don't get anything. I'd save the extra 20 bucks and get the metal Ultegra pedal because they DO spin a million times better. Get them online, you're laughing.
It's a worthwhile investment because you'll be able to sell them easier, and honestly, you just don't want ANY problems with your entry and exit on clipless.


You do realise the only difference between the different SPD levels (at least the M series) is the axle and cosmetic changes? That's why I got the M520s, not worth the extra cost.

Sorry, got to disagree on this. Used M324s and I think its M505 (the lowest level), and I have the M770 XT and the XT is like a completely different system... it's like forks vs splades. They both poke food, but holy moly... it's just not the same thing. Cervelo vs Chinarello... that's with the same SPD cleat as well! :lol: I really have to swap it over actually.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby usernameforme » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:03 pm

how did the discussion from road pedals move into the MTB realm?
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Cadel » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:24 pm

warthog1 wrote:The R540's won't die they'll just keep going and going. What they will do is wear out the plastic wear plate in a short period of time and the cleats will then commence eating into the body of the pedal resulting in vertical play between the pedal and cleat/shoe. Get rid of them and upgrage to the 5700 or 6700 with the broad stainless steel wear plate. You wont regret it.


SOLD!
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby mikesbytes » Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:35 pm

What's the difference between 105 and Ultegra ?
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Ozkaban » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:10 am

mikesbytes wrote:What's the difference between 105 and Ultegra ?

I'd like to know this too. I have 105 on my otherwise full ultegra bike and have been pondering upgrading the pedals as the 105 ones are getting scrappy looking... The price difference in remarkable though, and I've wondered if it's worth it.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Xplora » Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:54 am

This is only experience from a display at the Rouse Hill Trek shop, but the smoothness of the bearings was DRAMATICALLY better as you go up the food chain. I think that you aren't really getting the value with DuraAce, but I thought that with the carbon Ultegra as well. Eat more fibre and you'll lose that race weight easily.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby warthog1 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:02 pm

mikesbytes wrote:What's the difference between 105 and Ultegra ?


I have 2 pairs of ultegra and 1 pair of 105. Just went out and spun each of the pedals. If I was blindfolded I could not pick the difference, the bearings feel the same. The weight is almost the same I think, so I am buggered if I know what the difference is. Save your money and get the 105 I reckon
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Reman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:40 pm

warthog1 wrote:
mikesbytes wrote:What's the difference between 105 and Ultegra ?


I have 2 pairs of ultegra and 1 pair of 105. Just went out and spun each of the pedals. If I was blindfolded I could not pick the difference, the bearings feel the same. The weight is almost the same I think, so I am buggered if I know what the difference is. Save your money and get the 105 I reckon


As per my previous post, if you look up the Shimano tech docs for their pedals all models are identical except the axle and cosmetics. The reason for axle changes are probably weight related.

Save your money it's not worth it except for bling.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Ozkaban » Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:48 pm

Looking into it, the weight difference is about 11g per pair. Guess I'll stick with the 105s....
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:21 pm

105 vs Ultegra - is there any differences in bearing quality, impacting durability?

If not then it sounds like if going down the SPD-SL path I should use 105 on bikes not being raced on and Dura-Ace on the ones used for racing.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby Reman » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:56 pm

Bearings are identical on all models, 105 through to DuraAce. Axles are identical between 105 and Ultegra.

http://techdocs.shimano.com/media/techdocs/content/cycle/EV/bikecomponents/PD/EV-PD-5600-2573_v1_m56577569830608602.pdf
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby mikesbytes » Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:28 pm

Thanks for that.

Looks like the only differences of note are;
- 540 plate is plastic, others have metal plate.
- Weight. 2013 Durace carbons are 70gms lighter than 105 Alloy pedals, which in itself is 11gms lighter than 540. IE there is 81gms weight difference between the very cheapest and the most expensive.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby warthog1 » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:36 am

Reman wrote:
As per my previous post, if you look up the Shimano tech docs for their pedals all models are identical except the axle and cosmetics. The reason for axle changes are probably weight related.

Save your money it's not worth it except for bling.


Thanks, I don't need anymore but they'd be 105 if I did then.
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby bellarinebiker » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:56 pm

Get yourself a pair of Look Keo blades- you won't look back!
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Re: Not another pedal question...

Postby MarkG » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:57 pm

I got DA 9000 last month. Awesome
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