SRAM 22

SRAM 22

Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:35 am

Why do they insist on starting a cassette with an 11? What's wrong with a 12?
Looks like I'll have to buy a DA cassette when my team gets the new SRAM in a few months. Stupid SRAM.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby MichaelB » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:38 am

petal665 wrote:Why do they insist on starting a cassette with an 11? What's wrong with a 12?
Looks like I'll have to buy a DA cassette when my team gets the new SRAM in a few months. Stupid SRAM.


Because that's what the Pro's use (just like the std crank), so all cyclists must need the same !!!!

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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 8:57 am

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sra ... ical-group

It's interesting that as well as hydraulic disc brakes they now have hydraulic rim brakes as well. Can anyone tell me the purpose behind hydraulic rim brakes?
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:00 am

Cyclo cross.
Better in the wet
More braking power.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:04 am

I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:09 am

Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:09 am

Just need the UCI to approve them for race use now.
But policing sock height is more important to them.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:15 am

petal665 wrote:Cyclo cross.
Better in the wet
More braking power.


Reading CX forums and it seems that a large number of them prefer to stick with Canti's including all of the top 10 men and 9 of the top 10 women in the recent WC's .
As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.
Plus they feel that Canti's provide far better mud clearance than any other type of rim brakes. I guess this is not an issue in Australia where riding around a football field jumping over foot high "barriers" is considered CX though. :mrgreen:
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:16 am

We had our bikes weighed last week. Much finding of heavy stuff to add weight. Hydraulics would do nicely as it's a 'useful' weight.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby jasonc » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:30 am

sumgy wrote:As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.


I'd want a CX for commuting. stopping is important. hydro discs would be on the list very near the top
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 am

jasonc wrote:
sumgy wrote:As someone on one of the forums said, CX brakes are for slowing you, not stopping.


I'd want a CX for commuting. stopping is important. hydro discs would be on the list very near the top


I would hope so too.
You are not a CX racer.
You are a commuter.
Nothing alike.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby skull » Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:34 am

Ross wrote:http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/sram-unveils-its-red-22-11-speed-hydraulic-mechanical-group

It's interesting that as well as hydraulic disc brakes they now have hydraulic rim brakes as well. Can anyone tell me the purpose behind hydraulic rim brakes?



I had hydraulic v brakes years ago. Good stoppers

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Re: SRAM 22

Postby AUbicycles » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:15 pm

I would be interested to see if the hydralic brakes (rim and disc) require the same pressure as cable brakes or have the '1 finger braking' advantage that I am used to in MTBing.

I checked out the video of bleeding the SRAM 22 rim brakes and it seemed like a painful process compared to bleeding a disc brake. It is a bit fiddly with the calipers.

SRAM 22 Hydraulic Rim Brake Bleed Proceedure


SRAM 22 Hydraulic Disc Brake Bleed Proceedure
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:56 pm

I like the look of the new Force groupset, may have to start saving the dollars for an upgrade I think.

I would love to try hydraulic rim brakes, if they reduce the amount of effort and offer good modulation I would be tempted to change. So disc brakes on a roadie don't appeal to me, although I understand the undeniable benefits of better wet braking, no heat in the rim etc.

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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:00 pm

Dave R32 wrote:I like the look of the new Force groupset, may have to start saving the dollars for an upgrade I think.

I would love to try hydraulic rim brakes, if they reduce the amount of effort and offer good modulation I would be tempted to change. So disc brakes on a roadie don't appeal to me, although I understand the undeniable benefits of better wet braking, no heat in the rim etc.

Cheers
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Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?
I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Ross » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:20 pm

petal665 wrote:
Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.


I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby petal665 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:26 pm

Ross wrote:
petal665 wrote:
Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.


I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.


EDIT: Nevermind, now I'm totally confused.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Mulger bill » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:00 pm

Ross wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.

No need for a frame upgrade this year :D
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:43 pm

sumgy wrote:
Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?
I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.


SRAM Force.

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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 7:51 pm

Dave R32 wrote:
sumgy wrote:
Dave, what brakes are you running on your road bike?
I can 1 finger stop on my SRAM Red brakes no problem at all.
Obviously it takes a bit more stopping distance in the wet but then again we should leave ourselves more room to stop in those conditions regardless of what vehicle we are in control of.


SRAM Force.

Cheers
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I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:07 pm

sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.


My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.

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Re: SRAM 22

Postby sumgy » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:09 pm

Dave R32 wrote:
sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.


My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.

Cheers
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Than 1 finger?
Like mind control?? :mrgreen:
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Dave R32 » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:13 pm

sumgy wrote:
Dave R32 wrote:
sumgy wrote:
I wonder why it is that you seem to have so much trouble stopping then?
I have used Rival on bikes and the stopping power on them is great too.
In fact I bought rival calipers for my new bike as they stop just as well as Red IMO.


My brakes work fine, I just think that hydraulic would take less effort to apply than cable brakes.

Cheers
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Than 1 finger?
Like mind control?? :mrgreen:


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Re: SRAM 22

Postby Philipthelam » Tue Apr 16, 2013 9:31 pm

Ross wrote:
petal665 wrote:
Ross wrote:I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.


I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.

Bolded part still relevant I think.
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Re: SRAM 22

Postby kb » Wed Apr 17, 2013 7:48 am

Philipthelam wrote:
Ross wrote:
petal665 wrote:
Ross"]I can lock the front wheel on my road bike on dry bitumen now with cable rim brakes, why would need more braking force? How is it any better in the wet?
Hydraulic brakes have far better modulation that cabled systems. Disc brakes work 4,000,000 times better in the wet than rim brakes.


I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.

Bolded part still relevant I think.[/quote]

Answered above my Mulger Bill

[quote="Mulger bill wrote:
Ross wrote:I didn't ask about disc brakes, I asked about hydraulic rim brakes.

No need for a frame upgrade this year :D
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