Questions about purchasing bicycles and parts
I was hoping to get some feedback on a pair of knicks. I've had the stitching on two seperate DHB Aeron's knicks come undone so I'm given up buying Wiggle's own brand (the DHB shorts I have are flawless).
From the research I've done, posters here love; ASOS, Rapha and to a certain extent, Castelli. So I've tried to narrow it done to three possible options (I've put them in my personal preference order)
1) Castelli Free Aero Race Bibshorts - $143 from Cell
2) Babici Metallo - $117 http://babici.cc/knicks/40-metallo-knic ... dzjKjfpxQY
3) Assos T FI - $149 from Wiggle
I've heard amazing things about Assos, but I'm unsure if at the price point I'm after they're as good of quality. The Castelli's in particular the Free Aero's are meant to be a great fit, with nothing moving. I do have a pair of Babici Everyday knicks which quality wise I like and fit wise are great (plus the service I had was exemplary).
I would prefer to have a pair sooner rather than later as who knows how long the stitching on this pair of DHB knicks will last. I would send them back for a refund, but it was a giant hassle before and I just feel like moving on.
I have a pair of the Castelli's and they're amazing. Everything fits right, the legs are the right length, the straps don't cut and the grippers stay gripped without being uncomfortable. I haven't tried the others on the list but they fit my criteria of "feels like I'm wearing nothin' at all!".
Assos are worth waiting to come on special / discount. Assos clothing is indeed very expensive comparitively, however, when it comes to knicks and tights I've found Assos best. Assos jereys, jackets, socks etc have less expensive/similar quality equivalents out there but my bum says their knicks are the best.........
I have found the Mille range of knicks and tights more comfortable than the F1 range.
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Do Santini use a different Chamois than what they use in the Orica Greenedge knicks? I picked up a pair on sale and I don't find them comfortable on rides longer than 30km. The actual knicks feel good, just sitting down on them for 2-4 hours isn't ideal.
I had a pair of the Castelli ones, they are great extremely comfortable, very good padding and the leg grippers don't cut in like some.
Nothing moves around in the Castelli ones - so they are really comfortable. I'm 174cm and ~61kg, size M fits me well in Castelli. You might find them cheaper on Wiggle than locally.
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I bought a pair of Pearl Izumi bib longs yesterday. In the past I've just pulled thermals over my knicks but I found it a bit awkward recently when caught in the rain. They tended to slip a bit and pull a little at the knee. Wish I'd bought them sooner. So much more comfortable.
With all brands the type of chamois used will depend on wear in the range it suits.
Santini knicks tend to be on the thinner side but are really comfortable.
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#1 for me is Assos.
#2 is Rapha.
Have tried, Pearl Izumi, Capo, Babici, Champ Systems and Triple Play.
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I have the Assos FI T Mille S5 which is extremely comfortable on long rides (+150km) thanks to the long distance version of the chamois. If you're not going to do frequent long rides then the FI T Uno S5 should be fine. I managed to buy the Mille on special so the dent in the wallet wasn't so bad.
I haven't tried any of the more expensive brands. My favourite of the brand I do own would be the giordana silverline bibs. Ribble have them.
That said I did 225k recently in some cheap lusso bibs without issue, no chamois creme.
I have got my Cervelo well set for me though, that is more important than the chamois you use IMO.
Great chamois. Definitely has the euro sizing - go one size up. Great fit. Only criticism is that one the red castelli logos seem to peel back after a while - this petty and lame criticism should be read to indicate the overall high quality of the product.
I've got got Castelli Aero Race.
I like the chamois.
They are fantastic quality, but the tiniest bit small for me.
Unfortunately, I don't think they do bigger than XXXL.
I'm 6'4", 100kg. Time to lose some kg I think. Another 5kg would make them perfect I reckon.
I've had Assos and they didn't last as long as everyone indicated, but I am a heavy sweater, 85kg, and ride 10-12 hours a week.
What I'd suggest is buy one pair of Assos and wear them only on longer rides, as they are better tailored.
For rides up to 1.5-2 hours, buy cheaper kit. I've had most brands and any mroe than 1 season is a bonus....I bought team kits more recently from ebay and dhgate, and they are fine for shorter rides.
Also, the best way to get more comfortable in your kit and in the saddle, is to lose excess body fat, eat a healthy diet, and stay hydrated.
In my experience and that of mates, if you get dehydrated your skin moves around more and you are more prone to saddle sores.
I am also an advocate of using chamois cream (sorbolene or any moisturizer will do)
Last tip is not to buy kit too tight....means more friction esp around your gluts -> wears through quicker, and the leg grips stretch and fail earlier.
Wash, rinse, and dry in shade after most rides, more so if heavy sweater.
Mmmm, the three alternatives you list are all twice or 3 times the price of DHB Aeron. The question is; would you prefer 2 pairs of DHB or 1 pair of one of these?
If you read the reviews on Wiggle, the Aeron are pretty thin and most say it is worth paying a little more to get the Aeron Pro's.
I've had really good experiences with DHB Aeron Pro's and Sportful but it all depends on your body shape. For example I know that even though Assos are good, they don't work with my body shape.
Also - the life of the Knicks is influenced by how you treat them.... Leaving your Knicks for 2 or 3 days in the washing basket before washing them will cause the stitching to perish more quickly than washing them immediately you take them off.
absolutely refute that. Sadly, quality comes with price and better knicks are better and cost more. Assos should be high on the list, not least of which for their after sales service.
I had a pair of Assos bibknicks which were savaged from the clothesline by a blue heeler. He chewed a hole through the chamois and unbelieveably the fabric was untouched. For the sum total of 30 Euros I was able to post them to Switzerland, a new chamois was sewn in and they were posted back to me. Turnaround; 2 weeks. That's brilliant service.
Don't overlook 2XU either. Also steeply expensive but good.
That depends. Like the other big brands, Santini has a range of products so it depends whether you bought the (official) OGE replica product (multi-density sculpted chamois) or the (official) pro level gear (Nat Smart gel pad) or a copy (who knows). They use about four different pads in different ranges that I know of. Like a Toyota, it could be a Yaris or a Lexus or a people mover. I think you get what you pay for with knicks. Good luck with the decision.
After trying a few different brands without success I recently ponied up and purchased some rapha pro team bibshorts. I'm 6' 1, 70kg and have long skinny legs. I'm fit but have very little quad muscle definition. I prefer a longer leg cut rather than the 'euro pro' shorts look. The pro team come in a 'extra leg length' option (3cm) which I find makes them just long enough for me. So far I'm very happy with the quality. Fabric feels robust, stitching is generous where it needs to be, padding feels great and leg grippers do exactly what I expect them to do. Were they expensive? Definitely. Can I afford to buy two pairs and alternate them - not really! Will I buy another pair when these ones wear out? From my experiences so far, definitely yes.
edit: It was interesting to read you had good experiences with Babici. The pair of knicks I purchased from them had possibly the worst design padding I have ever seen - specifically around the crotch which was both tight but yet caused me to need to 'readjust' constantly throughout the ride. I put up with them for a month, emailed the company then binned them after I didn't receive a response.
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