Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Questions about purchasing bicycles and parts

Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby theprophet » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:21 pm

Hey guys,
long story short I need new wheels, old ones are destroyed. Will be going on a Cervelo S5 so would be ideal if they where reasonably aero and must be aluminium as I am a junior. There seems to be a few options out there so I would like to get some opinions on what you guys think. Aerodynamics is the first most important feature I am looking for, durability second and then weight. Also I would like to be able to get them as cheap as possible.

A few options I have at the moment are:
Pro-lite bracciano a42's
American Classic aero 420 3's (can get cheaper than retail)
any other aero suggestions?

Also might get some Ultegra tubeless wheels (again cheaper than retail)
so any opinions, advise or help is greatly appreciated
theprophet
 
Posts: 66
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:53 pm

by BNA » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:45 pm

BNA
 

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby yarravalleyplodder » Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:45 pm

depends on your budget

I have TWE's on my Felt, custom wheels Greg Ryan will build what you want.

I love mine
2011 Felt F75
2012 Fuji Nevada 2.0
User avatar
yarravalleyplodder
 
Posts: 434
Joined: Sat Jul 30, 2011 9:55 am
Location: Gateway to the Yarra Valley

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby jemima » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:18 am

Look at the Soul wheels website
jemima
 
Posts: 54
Joined: Thu Mar 31, 2011 11:18 am
Location: Sunny Perth

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Crawf » Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:25 pm

jemima wrote:Look at the Soul wheels website


No don't.
Crawf
 
Posts: 1646
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:20 pm

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby darkelf921 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:07 pm

I bought some American Classic 420s and I love them.
Image
My YouTube channel http://goo.gl/UlJrkN
User avatar
darkelf921
 
Posts: 342
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 2:03 pm

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:44 pm

The Gavia big brother to the Bracc A42 is a damn fine wheel if that helps
...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
London Boy 29/12/2011
User avatar
Mulger bill
Super Mod
Super Mod
 
Posts: 25554
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:41 pm
Location: Sunbury Vic

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby bosvit » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:23 pm

I did about 20k on my AC 420's, good wheels, parts easy enough to get.

just sold them second hand about 4 months ago, see them flying around Port Lincoln regularly. I only got rid of them because I picked up a set of Zipp 404 tubies to race on and got sick of changing brake pads to train on the AC's

Excellent hubs IMO
User avatar
bosvit
 
Posts: 1587
Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:47 pm
Location: Port Lincoln

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Duck! » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:13 pm

bosvit wrote:I did about 20k on my AC 420's, good wheels, parts easy enough to get.
....
Excellent hubs IMO

You must have had a later set; the old ones had a freehub design that routinely self-destructed and lost drive.
I had a thought, but it got run over as it crossed my mind.
Duck!
Expert
 
Posts: 1690
Joined: Tue May 21, 2013 8:21 pm
Location: On The Tools

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby winstonw » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:19 pm

If you want cheap as possible, you better forget about aerodynamics as your first priority.
User avatar
winstonw
 
Posts: 1793
Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:18 pm
Location: Brisbane

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby jacks1071 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:43 pm

Mulger bill wrote:The Gavia big brother to the Bracc A42 is a damn fine wheel if that helps


Same rim as your Gavia's :-)
Our Website is: http://www.pro-liteoz.com Find us on Facebook by searching for "Pro-Lite Australia"
User avatar
jacks1071
 
Posts: 2869
Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:47 pm
Location: Mackay, QLD

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Mulger bill » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:18 pm

jacks1071 wrote:
Mulger bill wrote:The Gavia big brother to the Bracc A42 is a damn fine wheel if that helps


Same rim as your Gavia's :-)

But without those amazing Bolzano hubs 8)
...whatever the road rules, self-preservation is the absolute priority for a cyclist when mixing it with motorised traffic.
London Boy 29/12/2011
User avatar
Mulger bill
Super Mod
Super Mod
 
Posts: 25554
Joined: Sun Sep 24, 2006 2:41 pm
Location: Sunbury Vic

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby brendan rocks » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:11 am

deep Vs. they're surprisingly decent road wheels!
brendan rocks
 
Posts: 20
Joined: Sat Oct 26, 2013 12:37 pm

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Velo13 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:14 pm

Hplusson SL42 - very aero and completely bombproof, even at very low spoke counts.
User avatar
Velo13
 
Posts: 855
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:24 pm
Location: Lennox

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby antipodean » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:58 am

Velo13 wrote:Hplusson SL42 - very aero and completely bombproof, even at very low spoke counts.


Price - 24/28?
2013 Oppy SL
2013 Boardman CX Pro
2012 KHS Yuma 29er
antipodean
 
Posts: 958
Joined: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:48 pm

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Velo13 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:43 pm

antipodean wrote:Price - 24/28?


Shot me an email, and I'll work out a spec for you.
User avatar
Velo13
 
Posts: 855
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:24 pm
Location: Lennox

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Pedaling » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:02 pm

+1 for American Classics 420s.
Great wheel and very light.
"Life is just a ride" Bill Hicks
Pedaling
 
Posts: 165
Joined: Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:07 pm
Location: Botany, Sydney.

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Shpox » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:55 pm

420's quite good. Bit too blingy for me though.
User avatar
Shpox
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2012 11:54 pm
Location: Brisbane, Queensland.

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Mozzar » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:49 am

I wouldn't get aero aluminum wheels as the rims will be heaver and you will take more effort to get up to speed. There's a 1305g wheelset that is around $1600 and is completely custom built. It is an American Classic sprint 350 front rim and a Velocity oc rear rim with spider monkey hubs and titanium spokes with alloy nipples. The best shop to get these from that will have stock is Cycle Science in Glen Waverley. Rider weight limit is guaranteed at 150kg max.
Mozzar
 
Posts: 122
Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:01 am

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby danny the boy » Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:57 am

AC 420's are bit misleading when its comes to aero, was surprised to read they use a 34mm deep rim.
Image
danny the boy
 
Posts: 360
Joined: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:34 am
Location: Mordialloc

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby dalai47 » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:02 pm

Mozzar - please stop SPAMing the forum with the Cycling Science Glen Waverley posts all the time. Not doing the owners any favours...

danny the boy wrote:AC 420's are bit misleading when its comes to aero, was surprised to read they use a 34mm deep rim.


The 420 refers to the rim weight and not the depth. Like the AC350's that Mozzar loves - rims were around 350g (though now weigh closer to 375g).
dalai47
 
Posts: 509
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:28 am

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby CXCommuter » Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:41 pm

Crawf wrote:
jemima wrote:Look at the Soul wheels website


No don't.


Definitely do not look there- carp wheels
Image
User avatar
CXCommuter
 
Posts: 611
Joined: Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:18 am
Location: Perth WA

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby Velo13 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:34 am

Light alloy rims (<450g in 700c, no matter how deep/wide) will need higher spoke counts to be stiff and reliable. How many extra spokes, depends on the rider + bike weight, usage, riding style, roads, etc.

But, the vast majority of the aero benefits are gained from using the deeper rim, not less spokes ....

As Keith Bontrager said, "if you want strong, light, and cheap, you can really only have two".

If you want aero + strong, light and cheap, again there will be compromises.

That said, a sensible spec (right rim, right drilling, right spokes, and smart hub selection) can still get you some alloy aero wheels that will be:

1. Not greatly heavier than a carbon equivalent
2. Just as stiff (if not stiffer)
3. More reliable
4. Not need special brake pads
5. Considerably less expensive
6. Similarly aerodynamic*

* always a contentious statement I understand, but there are really too many variables to say one wheel of a similar depth is more aero than another (unless you believe everything you read on the internet).
User avatar
Velo13
 
Posts: 855
Joined: Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:24 pm
Location: Lennox

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby usernameforme » Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:12 pm

Flo Cycling? It's a PITA to use their pre-order system though
Other rim options would be Kinlin XC-279 and Pacenti SL23.

And, I would say aero is affected more by rim shape than rim depth, Shimano DA c24s and Corima winium+ wheels are fairly shallow (~24mm) and test fairly well in the wind tunnel (Tour & roues artisanales). Something like the Mavic Cosmic Carbone is much deeper (50mm) and doesn't perform as well.
Looking for cheap bont shoes? PM me, have some NOS
usernameforme
 
Posts: 824
Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:01 pm
Location: Adelaide

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby AP81 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 8:43 pm

Shpox wrote:420's quite good. Bit too blingy for me though.


Pull the decals off...problem solved.
Steel - is - real
AP81
 
Posts: 285
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:24 am

Re: Aero Aluminium Wheelset?

Postby dalai47 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:22 pm

If the decals are like my AC350's, they aren't stickers. So acetone and a lot of elbow grease will be required which is what I ended up doing... Took quite a few hours!

Image
dalai47
 
Posts: 509
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:28 am

Next

Return to Buying a bike / parts

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], slian, Yahoo [Bot]



Popular Bike Shops
Torpedo 7 Torpedo7 AU
Ground Effect Ground Effect NZ
Chain Reaction Cycles CRC UK
Wiggle Wiggle UK
Ebay Ebay AU



InTouch with BNA
“Bicycles BNA Twitter
“Bicycles BNA Facebook
“Google+ BNA Google+
“Bicycles BNA Newsletter