Value all-rounder road rim-brake wheels
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Value all-rounder road rim-brake wheels
Postby Red Rider » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:05 pm
I'm currently looking at Hunt Race Aero Wide and Prime RP-38.
The Hunt is aluminium, 31mm deep, 24mm outer and 19mm inner width. 1490g. About $640. https://www.huntbikewheels.com/products ... #techspecs
The Prime is carbon, 38mm deep, 25mm outer and 16.5mm inner width. 1440g. About $940. http://www.this link is broken/prime-rp-38-car ... heelset-1/
As they weigh about the same I'd prefer to go with aluminium for durability. But the aero benefits of a deeper rim might be worth it? Although the dimensions of the rims are quite different, the tyre on the Hunt rim may transition the air a lot better. Obviously total speculation but wanted to get some thoughts on this as well as the hubs etc. They both have pretty good reviews around the traps.
Thanks
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby queequeg » Tue Jun 05, 2018 4:05 pm
Hunt uses Novatec hubs, so everything is easily replaced and serviced. For $300 cheaper and a wider rim profile and hardly and weight penalty, I'd go the Hunt wheels.Red Rider wrote:Trying to decide on what wheels I should get. A good balance of weight, aero and price. Looking to go tubeless also.
I'm currently looking at Hunt Race Aero Wide and Prime RP-38.
The Hunt is aluminium, 31mm deep, 24mm outer and 19mm inner width. 1490g. About $640. https://www.huntbikewheels.com/products ... #techspecs
The Prime is carbon, 38mm deep, 25mm outer and 16.5mm inner width. 1440g. About $940. http://www.this link is broken/prime-rp-38-car ... heelset-1/
As they weigh about the same I'd prefer to go with aluminium for durability. But the aero benefits of a deeper rim might be worth it? Although the dimensions of the rims are quite different, the tyre on the Hunt rim may transition the air a lot better. Obviously total speculation but wanted to get some thoughts on this as well as the hubs etc. They both have pretty good reviews around the traps.
Thanks
I have a pair of the SuperDura Dyno Disc wheels for my Gravel Bike.
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby lone rider » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:33 am
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby MattyK » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:00 am
So basically an overpriced Kinlin XR31T rim and Novatec hub combo?Red Rider wrote: The Hunt is aluminium, 31mm deep, 24mm outer and 19mm inner width. 1490g. About $640. https://www.huntbikewheels.com/products ... #techspecs
Buy this and make friends with a wheelbuilder instead:
http://www.bdopcycling.com/DIY%20Alloy% ... t%20II.asp
or http://www.bdopcycling.com/DIY%20Alloy% ... %20III.asp
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:53 pm
To the OP - the whole range of questions can be asked, but the real one is : "Is this a
"Gee, I'd like a new wheelset as I have upgraditis and I want to be able to justify it in some form that makes sense to me", or more of a
"The current wheelset is worn out as I've ridden heaps and they need replacing, so might as well do it with a better set". ?
Re aero, the taller the better, but you have to be going fast to make any real difference.
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Red Rider » Wed Jun 06, 2018 2:33 pm
MichaelB, they are getting worn out and need replacing, on advice of my mechanic. They've done about 25,000 km. Also, the ones you linked to are disc brake? I'm looking for rim brake (and tubeless compatible).
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby MichaelB » Wed Jun 06, 2018 4:00 pm
I knowRed Rider wrote: ... the ones you linked to are disc brake? ....
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Duck! » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:56 pm
The trade off is that deeper wheels, while better for aero at low yaw angles (basically riding straight, or close to it, into the wind) can become a handful in crosswinds, especially under lighter riders. It does depend a lot on the overall profile of the rims though, some are better than others. Rim sections between about 35mm & 45mm, while not the fastest at low yaw angles, are generally much nicer all-rounders because they're less affected by crosswinds, and shallower = lighter for a given construction, which helps with climbing.MichaelB wrote: Re aero, the taller the better, but you have to be going fast to make any real difference.
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Tim » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:33 am
I completely agree.Duck! wrote:The trade off is that deeper wheels, while better for aero at low yaw angles (basically riding straight, or close to it, into the wind) can become a handful in crosswinds, especially under lighter riders.
In my case (63kg rider weight) any rim greater than 24mm becomes difficult to handle in strong cross winds.
My Defy is equipped with modest 32.5mm deep disc wheels. Combine the comparatively deep rims, discs, and boxy square sectioned carbon frame, the Defy is not a comfortable bike to ride on high speed descents (50KPH+) in gusty winds greater than around 15 knots.
A strong gust can easily blow me a metre (or thereabouts) off-line. I don't ride it in any sort of windy conditions.
My old CAAD9, aluminium round sectioned frame with 24mm rims is very much more stable. My steel framed tourer with approx 24mm rims, more so again.
The TCR SL with 24mm rims sits somewhere in the middle. Large box-sectioned frames also contribute significantly to cross-wind air resistance (from my experience).
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby g-boaf » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:49 pm
More riding in those conditions will help. I'm a bit lighter than you and sometimes ride on 50mm front and 65mm rear wheels on a very flat sided aero bike. It's not the best in very gusty conditions, but the more you ride it becomes less scary.Tim wrote:I completely agree.Duck! wrote:The trade off is that deeper wheels, while better for aero at low yaw angles (basically riding straight, or close to it, into the wind) can become a handful in crosswinds, especially under lighter riders.
In my case (63kg rider weight) any rim greater than 24mm becomes difficult to handle in strong cross winds.
My Defy is equipped with modest 32.5mm deep disc wheels. Combine the comparatively deep rims, discs, and boxy square sectioned carbon frame, the Defy is not a comfortable bike to ride on high speed descents (50KPH+) in gusty winds greater than around 15 knots.
A strong gust can easily blow me a metre (or thereabouts) off-line. I don't ride it in any sort of windy conditions.
My old CAAD9, aluminium round sectioned frame with 24mm rims is very much more stable. My steel framed tourer with approx 24mm rims, more so again.
The TCR SL with 24mm rims sits somewhere in the middle. Large box-sectioned frames also contribute significantly to cross-wind air resistance (from my experience).
I usually ride a TCR SL (I have two of them actually) both with 24mm wheels and they are okay, only on extremely gusty days do I get problems.
When you use deeper rear wheels (compared with the front) that seems to have a steadying effect.
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Tim » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:51 pm
That makes sense.g-boaf wrote:When you use deeper rear wheels (compared with the front) that seems to have a steadying effect.
I've noticed the cross-wind effect mostly coasting downhill. Under power the front end seems easier to control at similar speeds at equivalent wind strength.
(Not that I can pedal at 50KPH in a strong cross-wind on the flat or uphill. MAYBE mid-40's)
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Thoglette » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:40 pm
Certainly at the price point you're looking at.MattyK wrote:...make friends with a wheelbuilder instead
And also look at some of the semi-custom/house-brand offerings (e.g. Kotavelo, no relationship etc etc)
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Mububban » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:46 am
That said, I have zero buyer's remorse with the new wheels. They feel brilliant and have transformed my bike.
FWIW I'm 189cm and 66kg (human twig) and the 38mm have so far not given me any problems in cross winds.
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Re: Value all-rounder road clincher wheels
Postby Red Rider » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:55 pm
I've gone with the Hunts. As you mention I've saved the coin, maybe get something proper aero down the line sometime, but these are all-rounders so I'll keep it safe with 31mm depth.
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Re: Value all-rounder road rim-brake wheels
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