I suppose sports nutrition is a specialist area, *but* ....winstonw wrote: I had a long chat with a very experienced dietitian on the weekend who said she wouldn't know how to do such calculations.
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Postby toolonglegs » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:13 pm
Tried counting calories many times ... losing 5 or 6 kilos in the first month is always easy. It is the 2 to 3 months down the track that is the hard part.
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Postby casual_cyclist » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:29 pm
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.
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Postby singlespeedscott » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:32 pm
casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...
Amen to that. Life's to short to be starving yourself constantly or to be eating bland, unhealthy fast food.Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Postby winstonw » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:28 pm
"but" hahaha..I agree. could expand on the conversation...but won't. OTOH, I refer regularly to AIS trained Sports Dietitians (with honours degrees), and they still use skinfold caliper measures for wt loss progress. After I saw the progress reports of my 4th referral, for weight vs skinfold rating, the dietitians had to admit their primary fat % measure was as good as useless. There's a lot to be said for waist and buttock measures for tracking body fat.clackers wrote:I suppose sports nutrition is a specialist area, *but* ....
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Postby winstonw » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:45 pm
The wisest (and nameless) authority in this field that I know of, has a lot more to say about it.casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.
The only hint I'll give is that the most effective weight loss and maintenance regime does not involve exercise, not a skerrick.
But it would challenge most people's lifestyles and core beliefs....and therefore there's not a dollar to be made from it.
In the meantime, roll on Jenny Craig, Lite n Easy, and a hundred meal replacement outlets.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby Mulger bill » Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:56 pm
The weight typically floated between 83-86 and had done for ages.
In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix
At the vet with the mother in laws dog, I jumped on their scale.
79.7 No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.
The grin is threatening to dislodge me ears Loves riding Fixed, thanks James Reid
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:26 pm
I'm not sure the "be active" in the advice above has anything to do with weight loss or maintenance. There are lots of reasons to exercise that have nothing to do with weight. Poential benefits of exercise include energy, sleep, enjoyment, blood pressure, stress, fitness, cholesterol, mood, muscle etc. I agree with not trying to link weight loss and exercise because I find it futile to eat a choclate bar and then "burn it off" by exercising. Eat for your waist, exercise for your heart. Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.winstonw wrote:The wisest (and nameless) authority in this field that I know of, has a lot more to say about it.casual_cyclist wrote:And finally, some good advice...
Read more: http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health ... z2cZh3RwON" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Just eat food. Eat real food, be active, and live your life. Forget all the diet and weight loss nonsense. It's really just that. Nonsense.
The only hint I'll give is that the most effective weight loss and maintenance regime does not involve exercise, not a skerrick.
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Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:18 pm
Not really true, CC, but we know what you mean.casual_cyclist wrote: Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.
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Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:10 pm
You're using up more calories because with the fixie you've effectively started resistance training!Mulger bill wrote:
In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix ...
79.7 No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.
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Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:55 pm
You're right. But you know what I mean... http://www.thefitnessfashionista.com/ab ... he-kitchenclackers wrote:Not really true, CC, but we know what you mean.casual_cyclist wrote: Abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym.
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Postby clackers » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:17 pm
(Kidding)
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Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 3:53 pm
Agreed. I have seen people starve themselves to ridiculously thin... and they didn't have great abs, they just looked emaciated and ill.clackers wrote:Yep, but you can't just diet your way to have abs like mine, the bodybuilder's craft is needed too.
(Kidding)
Someone with six-pack abs explains how to get six-pack abs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JBIAPWt1Zo
In order of priority from most important to least important:
1) diet (meaning clean eating rather than "going on a diet")
2) working out
3) cardio (sprinting, not endurance)
I like his video "Sixpack Secrets: Everybody Can Get Them, But Almost Nobody Does"... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLSldYfMI90
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby casual_cyclist » Thu Aug 22, 2013 5:54 pm
I managed to catch this on the weekend and it was interesting. It followed the story of obesity researchers who noticed that the calories in vs calories out theory doesn't always stack up in the real world. One example that was given is fat babies (because they can't exercise) or overeat by choice. Researchers have noticed that babies are getting fatter and fatter and have started to investigate the reason for this.casual_cyclist wrote:In Programmed to be Fat we ask the question: Are chemicals, not calories, making us fat?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le4085893/Eat less, move more. That’s been the prevailing weight-loss strategy for years now, but even obesity experts acknowledge that few people who lose weight manage to keep it off.
Meanwhile, in research labs, frogs, mice and zebra fish exposed to minuscule amounts of estrogen replacement drugs, dioxins, bisphenol A and other chemicals are getting fat – very fat.
More related to this story
The phenomenon is so striking that some scientists believe that common chemicals, dubbed obesogens, are messing with our hormonal systems and the natural balance of “calories in, calories out.”
This early days and the documentary is upfront that this is "controversial new science" and "is raising suspicion". Still, it will be interesting to watch.
http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episod ... e-fat.html
They suspect that being overweight is not just the result of too much food, too little exercise, and genetics. Exposure to environmental chemicals such as Bisphenol A, pesticides and herbicides during foetal development may be changing our physiology forever. The researchers labelled these "obesogens" and listed more than 15 suspected obesogens. The issue is with the way the body deals with calories after exposure to obesogens with evidence suggesting that affected people store a disproportionately high level of fat for the amount of calories consumed.
In one experiment, the researchers compared unaffected mice with affected mice. Even though the mice were given the same amount of food and had the same level of activity, the affected mice stored a lot of excessive fat compared to unaffected mice. This indicates some kind of metabolic dysfunction which disrupts the mice's homeostasis.
It appears that in people who are affected, that the metabolic dysfunction acts as a multiplier effect on a poor diet, causing those people to store a disproportionally high level of fat for the food they are eating compared to people with properly functioning metabolisms. It also makes them feel more hungry and less satisfied when they eat, leading to increased food intake of which a disproportionally high level of fat is stored... vicious cycle.
There were no real conclusions or solutions. What I took away from the documentary is that for people with a dysfunctioning metabolism, the standard of "eat less, exercise more" is useless. These people need to be educated about food quality, food composition and avoiding or minimising obesogens. Also, appetite control could be useful here.
It's pretty early days for the research but it's interesting nevertheless.
http://dreamfilm.ca/film/programmed-to-be-fat/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424450/
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby Mulger bill » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:38 pm
clackers wrote:You're using up more calories because with the fixie you've effectively started resistance training!Mulger bill wrote:
In the meantime, I discovered the Joy of Fix ...
79.7 No major change to diet or extra distance involved, maybe cutting sugar from me cuppa tea but that's it.
Aaand, loving it!
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby winstonw » Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:51 pm
Yes, but it will be decades before they tease out ultimate causes. Staying up late, chronic anxiety and work and money stress, hyperactive mind, can all dysregulate appetite and metabolism and lead to poor digestion and absorption, unbalance internal flora, etc, etc. Personally, when I go away and meditate for 10 days (Vippassana Retreats), my abnormal cravings drop away dramatically and I sleep better, have no need to overeat or drink booze or coffee. Calming the nerves and endocrine system has a lot of potential to normalize dietary preference....but this area of research into weight management is just not a 'thing' at the moment.casual_cyclist wrote:There were no real conclusions or solutions. What I took away from the documentary is that for people with a dysfunctioning metabolism, the standard of "eat less, exercise more" is useless. These people need to be educated about food quality, food composition and avoiding or minimising obesogens. Also, appetite control could be useful here.
It's pretty early days for the research but it's interesting nevertheless.
http://dreamfilm.ca/film/programmed-to-be-fat/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424450/
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Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 12:00 am
anyone could do it for free at Pomona up the road from you...singlespeedscott wrote:Must be nice to be able to go and do a 10 day retreat.
the fact that for most, it would be anathema to
- keep their mouth shut for 10 days
- have no television, phones, computers, ipods
- meditate for 4-5 hours a day
- eat only simple vegetarian food
is indicative of how wired the nerves and endocrine glands are of most advanced economy citizens.
IMV, doing this is honestly the most powerful recuperative 'holiday' a person can have. Though the majority would rather go stuff their face and drink heaps, just as they do at home. and when they get home, wonder why they feel just as crap as before.
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Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 6:21 am
traditional aboriginals do it all the time, when they go walkabout.singlespeedscott wrote:I was just thinking of how I could tell the missus, "see ya. Can you look after the kids for 10 days whilst I go and find myself?" :laugh:
I've got at least 6 fifo mates who are away from their missus and kids regularly for longer than 10 days
anyway, my point is most are completely unconscious of how lifestyle choices and associated stress, effect appetite.
the more calm, the better quality sleep is, the less filled your head is with frustration and junk thoughts, the healthire your appetite and the less you suffer from unhelathy cravings.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby cyclotaur » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:26 am
That's not quite the same as 10 days of contemplation/meditation and abstinence....... though I'm sure it holds a certain attraction for some people.winstonw wrote:traditional aboriginals do it all the time, when they go walkabout.singlespeedscott wrote:I was just thinking of how I could tell the missus, "see ya. Can you look after the kids for 10 days whilst I go and find myself?" :laugh:
I've got at least 6 fifo mates who are away from their missus and kids regularly for longer than 10 days....
I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby clackers » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:15 pm
Whatever people need to do is fine by me.cyclotaur wrote:
I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think.
If a monk like existence brings calm and weight loss, thumbs up.
There are worse ways.
My mother in law when stressed simply doesn't eat and loses kilograms.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby winstonw » Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:40 pm
Well that's the thing isn't it. The majority of Australians are unable to sustain healthy weight in 'whatever circumstances.....'cyclotaur wrote:I think for most of us it's more sustainable (mentally, physically, emotionally) to simply try to lead a more deliberate and mindful daily life in whatever work/life/family circumstances (and responsibilities) you find yourself, rather than rely on periodic 10 day retreats. Good luck to you if you can swing it (retreat) but not really practical for the majority, I wouldn't think.
and they are hardly aware calming the mind and emotions influences appetite. doing so is not a weight loss strategy promoted by GPs or dietitians, yet.
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Re: Weight loss through cycling
Postby toolonglegs » Wed Aug 28, 2013 12:40 am
He said it was a bit hard to get a good reading as my heart was slow. 35BPM is low for me unless I am really relaxed... usually I would expect 40BPM after rushing around... probably why it spat out " bradycardie extreme " ... but I have always had a slow heart rate.
First thing he said was "too much potassium?" ... "lets do a blood test". Well the machine spat out "hyperkaliéme possible" ... T waves too high.
Also said "HVG" , but then I have got a slightly leaky valve so no surprise there that my heart is slightly enlarged.
Doing the test tomorrow morning... he said it wasn't a big worry and still gave me the certificate.
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