singlespeedscott wrote:spirito wrote:Define reasonably priced
$1000 or less. I'm not after art I'm after a tool.
I think the problem isn't that Australian framebuilders "
completely price themselves out of the game " for you but in actual fact you are completely unrealistic in your expectations. $1000 for a built to order (your spec?) 650b frameset with eyelets and basic paint is a big ask ... you can't even get a production 650b frameset for that kind of money here or anywhere overseas (that includes the Velo Orange fillet brazed frame either shipped direct or through local vendors). You don't need a new frame but if you want someone to make one for you I can't see how you can expect such for so little. Out of interest, what do you consider a fair hourly rate for a frame builder?
Including emails, consulting, back and forth with plans/drawings before signing off plus the actual time it takes to build a one off custom frame will take about 30 hours build time (if not more). $1000 won't even cover the cost of materials, overheads, depreciation of tools and assets, consumables and product liability insurance.
Nothing wrong with wanting a cheap frame. Plenty of used examples and other options using production in regions where labour rates and manufacturing costs are low. But local builders have much higher overheads, rents, mortgages etc plus kids to send to school and and the mother of all shipping costs to swallow as all their raw materials come from overseas. I can't name one builder who wouldn't make a better living doing
any other trade here in Oz.
For such a frame you're more realistically looking at $2500 for a one off made for you frameset by a local builder. Might sound like a lot but such a frame would last at least 15 years (if not 3 times as long with a few repaints) which works out to a little over $0.45c per day. Most everyone here could afford such and is this not the section of the forum where something unique, hand crafted and made locally should be heralded and appreciated? If I'm wrong then perhaps this forum section should be renamed ...
$0.45c per day for a hand built, custom frameset ... most people pay more than that for their coffee fix, twice that monthly for their Foxtel, and even more for their mobile phone plans or internet providors. Who here really
dreams about classic handbuilt bikes?
Australian Made bike might be just a memory one day.