+1.Dan wrote:Try them all and buy the one you like best.
But REAL cyclists use SunTour .
(the SunTour Cyclone rear derailleur from 1975-80 was lighter than Dura Ace until the 7900).
Postby ldrcycles » Mon May 20, 2013 5:49 pm
+1.Dan wrote:Try them all and buy the one you like best.
Postby singlespeedscott » Mon May 20, 2013 8:59 pm
Postby nickobec » Mon May 20, 2013 10:42 pm
+2Dan wrote:Try them all and buy the one you like best.
Postby Dimis » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:40 pm
I did.. and for me SRAM came in first.Dan wrote:Try them all and buy the one you like best.
Postby Duck! » Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:07 am
Postby ldrcycles » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:27 am
It can be done, I would say utterly impractical rather than impossible. My first road bike had sora and man those shift levers were a pain.Duck! wrote: Shimano's take on the design, used on the older Sora & 2200/2300 entry-level shifters is even worse; it's right up high on the side of the hood, which is perfect for shifting from up there, but it's utterly impossible to reach from below.
Postby simonn » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:42 am
This is where I disagree and partly* why I went for Campy Veloce** on my FM066SL build.Duck! wrote:...Shimano is my favourite lot. It may not have the flashy bits of the others, but it just plain bloody works, day after day.
Postby warthog1 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:19 pm
I run a sram pg 1050 28-11 cassette and sram chainset on my ultegra 6700 equipped Cervelo. Both ends shift well, the rear is no noisier and picks up gears a touch better than the ultegra 25-11 cassette it replaced. The front is a 39-53 , which no doubt has alot to do with it, and it shifts much better than the 34-50 fsa compact it replaced.Duck! wrote:
SRAM has some good concepts, but the engineering is a pretty major let-down. Dreadful shifting due to poorly ramped & flexy chainrings & front derailleurs, shift levers that routinely fall off, and cassettes that sound like an army of tractors. On the plus side, the levers are by far the mosr comfortable shape, but that's not enough to overcome the many shortcomings.
Postby Mulger bill » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:29 pm
You must have bloody long thumbs. I could barely brush the underside of the trigger of mine.ldrcycles wrote:It can be done, I would say utterly impractical rather than impossible. My first road bike had sora and man those shift levers were a pain.Duck! wrote: Shimano's take on the design, used on the older Sora & 2200/2300 entry-level shifters is even worse; it's right up high on the side of the hood, which is perfect for shifting from up there, but it's utterly impossible to reach from below.
Postby ldrcycles » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:44 pm
Postby Puffy » Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:55 pm
Postby Duck! » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:49 pm
My Sora-equipped commuter hasn't needed adjustment for years, and it gets ridden in all weather, nearly every working day. Sure it's nowhere near as slick as the Ultegra on my other roadie, or SLX/XT (105/Ultegra equvalent) mix on my MTB, but it's just as consistent and reliable as the better components.simonn wrote:This is where I disagree and partly* why I went for Campy Veloce** on my FM066SL build.Duck! wrote:...Shimano is my favourite lot. It may not have the flashy bits of the others, but it just plain bloody works, day after day.
I also have Veloce on my Van Nicholas, not by choice, but because the bike was a bargain and came with it. In the ~9000km I have done on it over 2 years or so I have have only had to adjust the gears twice (including when I swapped to a compact crankset, so really, only once). This has not been my experience with Shimano. Sora needs adjusting almost daily (I exaggerate, but it does, a lot). Tiagra less regularly and 105 a little less regularly still. I don't know about Ultegra or Dura-Ace as I have never owned a bike with them. This didn't bother me much before I was a parent, but now we have a toddler running around... ...all the time... ...never stops... I would rather spend my "free" time riding than playing with cable tension.
This is of course anecdote with a sample size of one, so is fairly meaningless I guess.
*The other part is so I can share wheels between my two roadies and because it was better value from Ribble (which was the cheapest groupo source I found) than Shimano.
**Bottom of the range Campy, which depending on who you speak to is the same as tiagra, 105 or ultegra . Personally think 105 weight, but a little better shifting. Really nowadays everything shifts well when properly setup. It is how long it stays properly setup, maybe possibly how long it takes to wear out/break and weight that changes.
Postby queequeg » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:17 pm
Postby richbee » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:30 pm
Postby warthog1 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:12 pm
I have never ridden campag, but that gives me some useful feedback thanks . I have fairly large hands, take an xl glove, and find I like a larger hood. The ultegra 6700 is slightly larger in diameter than the 6600 it replaced and is more comfortable for me for this reason.richbee wrote: I still find the Campagnolo more natural to use and the slim hoods fit my small hands far better than the still fat Shimano hoods.
Postby Duck! » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:07 pm
But they work oh so much better than hidden cables!warthog1 wrote: +1 on them losing the exposed cables, I always hated them flapping about on the front of the bike, very messy and untidy looking.
Postby rheicel » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:31 pm
Postby ParkertR » Wed Jul 03, 2013 8:42 pm
Postby Mulger bill » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:39 pm
But you might be shifting only a half dozen times a kilomotre where the aero advantage of hidden cables is with you every centimetre of the wayDuck! wrote:But they work oh so much better than hidden cables!warthog1 wrote: +1 on them losing the exposed cables, I always hated them flapping about on the front of the bike, very messy and untidy looking.
Postby elantra » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:22 pm
Another previous generation Sora fan here.Puffy wrote:Well until, recently I had Sora. All I could afford. I put over 10'000kms on that gruppo without drama other than it finally falling apart of late. I just wore it out! It has been replaced by 9 speed Ultegra.
I digress, I had absolutely no problem with the thumb shifters. I thought they were great.
I see the latest version of sora has lost thumb levers when it inherited last years Tiagra lever design I suppose.
Postby warthog1 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:31 pm
You are not alone in saying that, but not my experience. Still shifts fine for me, does what it's told and feels like a shorter lever throw on the upshifts. Apparently its not thoughDuck! wrote: But they work oh so much better than hidden cables!
Postby Dimis » Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:05 pm
Richbee - you should really try sram. It's shifting is pretty much idiot proof.richbee wrote: Never tried SRAM, I'm too old now to learn how to operate a third shifting mechanism...
Postby queequeg » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:37 pm
richbee wrote: Never tried SRAM, I'm too old now to learn how to operate a third shifting mechanism...
Postby munga » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:38 pm
Postby Dan » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:51 pm
Forgot where he parked it, too...munga wrote:i tried to ride a shimano -equipped bike the other day and i had to leave it in the gear it was in.
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