Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
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Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dominicj » Fri Aug 30, 2013 6:46 pm
I've seen a fair bit to suggest that it is possible to convert an Ultegra Di2 setup to 11 speed simply by swapping out the RD to the 9070 version (and obviously cassette). The 9070 RD is still $650 but it's a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a full 9070 groupset.
Does anyone have any experience with actually doing this? Are there any issues and is it easy to set up? There is some talk of the front shift not being as nice given that it has a wider cage set up for a 10 speed chain.
Very interested to hear any thoughts.
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Carrots » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:44 pm
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dale79 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:49 pm
incorrect,,Carrots wrote:From what I was told in a LBS the other day it'll be a matter of having the Shimano tech computer plugged in and a few buttons pressed, add a 11spd cassette and chain and away you go essentially. No need for a new RD at all.
you need to add the 11 speed rear mech, 11 speed cassette and 11 speed chain..
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby warthog1 » Fri Aug 30, 2013 9:12 pm
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Carrots » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:15 pm
Sorry yep - brain fade - the shifters are programmable. My bad!dale79 wrote:incorrect,,Carrots wrote:From what I was told in a LBS the other day it'll be a matter of having the Shimano tech computer plugged in and a few buttons pressed, add a 11spd cassette and chain and away you go essentially. No need for a new RD at all.
you need to add the 11 speed rear mech, 11 speed cassette and 11 speed chain..
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:46 am
No problems at all.warthog1 wrote:Not that I have either but how does the 10 s chainset go with the narrower 11 s chain?
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:47 am
Front derailleur as well, due to the auto-trimming calibration.dale79 wrote:incorrect,,Carrots wrote:From what I was told in a LBS the other day it'll be a matter of having the Shimano tech computer plugged in and a few buttons pressed, add a 11spd cassette and chain and away you go essentially. No need for a new RD at all.
you need to add the 11 speed rear mech, 11 speed cassette and 11 speed chain..
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dominicj » Sat Aug 31, 2013 6:42 am
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby kx315 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:25 am
I was told the same by my LBS also........however I was told they where waiting on a software upgrade to be released from Shimano.Carrots wrote:From what I was told in a LBS the other day it'll be a matter of having the Shimano tech computer plugged in and a few buttons pressed, add a 11spd cassette and chain and away you go essentially. No need for a new RD at all.
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:22 am
That's not what I've been told by Shimano techs. The front auto-trim is controlled by the rear derailleur position, and the shift increments in both are hard-programmed and not tuneable. The 11-sp. front derailleur has different trim points than 10-sp. to allow for the wider cassette. A 10-sp. FD won't talk to an 11-sp. RD.dale79 wrote:Front will be fine and dosent need to be changed
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Postby dale79 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:42 am
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby warthog1 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:09 am
Good to know, thanks.Duck! wrote:No problems at all.warthog1 wrote:Not that I have either but how does the 10 s chainset go with the narrower 11 s chain?
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 11:16 am
To further elaborate: I recently fitted a 6650 Ultegra compact crank to a customer's 9000 D-A spec bike for a trip to France, due to unavailable small rings for the 9000 crank. After she returned & swapped the cranks back, I asked her if she noticed any effect of the supposedly incompatible crank. She said it worked perfectly every time, not even the slightest hint that the narrower chain was complaining.warthog1 wrote:Good to know, thanks.Duck! wrote:No problems at all.warthog1 wrote:Not that I have either but how does the 10 s chainset go with the narrower 11 s chain?
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dale79 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:57 pm
Front limit screw not rear... The rear is 1.8mm wider..meaning the front limit screw will need off the top of my head about 1/4 turn to eliminate the chain rub.the auto tracking will work perfectly fine..Duck! wrote:The limit screw has nothing to do with it.
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Postby Cossie Phil » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:11 pm
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:54 pm
Limit screws still have nothing to do with it. The trim shift movement is entirely dictated by the electronics, because once the front derailleur begins to move off its low gear position, it's not on either limit screw. The upper limit only comes into play once you shift to the big ring position (from where exactly the same principle applies in reverse). The trim stroke is longer to allow for the wider cassette.dale79 wrote:Front limit screw not rear... The rear is 1.8mm wider..meaning the front limit screw will need off the top of my head about 1/4 turn to eliminate the chain rub.the auto tracking will work perfectly fine..Duck! wrote:The limit screw has nothing to do with it.
Which is all a moot point anyway, because the official word is that an 11-sp. RD will not recognise a 10-sp. FD (& vice-versa).
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dale79 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 4:15 pm
I will plug a 9000 rear mech into my 6770 bike tomorrow to test it with the 6770 front mech, I bet the trim function works perfectly fine.
shimano will tell you none of it will work etc etc, but they also say that you cant get sprint shifters for 6770 either..
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby dale79 » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:16 pm
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
Postby Duck! » Sat Aug 31, 2013 5:33 pm
What do you expect to prove by plugging in a mechanical derailleur?dale79 wrote: I will plug a 9000 rear mech into my 6770 bike tomorrow to test it with the 6770 front mech, I bet the trim function works perfectly fine.
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Re: Ultegra Di2 to 11 speed conversion
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