Cycleways vs shared use paths.
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Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby nezumi » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:28 am
My understanding is that these are intended to be used by cyclists exclusively, or at least overwhelmingly.
As a predominantly commuter cyclist, riding ~20ks each way, this sort of thing would be a boon.
Are there any maps around which make the distinction clear between cycleways and shared use paths?
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Xplora » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:53 am
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby BastardSheep » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:02 am
Open Cycle Maps, look for light blue highlight with blue dashed line.
http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=13&la ... ayers=B000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dashed blue line alone or dashed blue line with dark blue highlight are the different types of shared paths.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby wombatK » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:10 am
There is very little difference between the states that relates to cycling.
The only place cyclists have "exclusive access" is a bicycle path - Rule 239 defines a Bicycle Path.
Don't know about Melbourne, but there are very very few in Sydney (I can think of only one, the Harbour Bridge cycleway). So(4) In the Australian Road Rules:
bicycle path means a length of path beginning at a bicycle
path sign or bicycle path road marking, and ending at the
nearest of the following:
(a) an end bicycle path sign or end bicycle path road
marking;
(b) a separated footpath sign or separated footpath road
marking;
(c) a road (except a road-related area);
(d) the end of the path.
Note Road-related area is defined in rule 13.
bicycle path road marking means a road marking on a path,
consisting of a bicycle symbol, the words ‘bicycles only’, or
both the bicycle symbol and the word ‘only’.
Note Bicycle symbol is defined in the dictionary.
end bicycle path road marking means a bicycle path road
marking with the word ‘end’.
end separated footpath road marking means
few of them that there probably isn't much point to having a map of them.
Strictly, the RMS would need to have a record of where it has defined them, but it doesn't show it on any of its maps or its
cyclemap finder at http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/maps/ ... inder.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby wombatK » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:16 am
Don't think so - see the opencyclemap legend http://www.opencyclemap.org/docs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. There is no sub-classificationsBastardSheep wrote: Open Cycle Maps, look for light blue highlight with blue dashed line.
http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=13&la ... ayers=B000" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dashed blue line alone or dashed blue line with dark blue highlight are the different types of shared paths.
of cycleways - the highlighting you mention has a different meaning
If you look at your map, you will see the Harbour Bridge Cycleway has the same markings as the Anzac Bridge
Cycleway. The former is a bicycle path (i.e. bike only), the latter is a shared path.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Xplora » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:45 am
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby antigee » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:52 am
not lived here that long but pretty sure 99% are shared use - there are some sections parallel to Beach rd where pedestrian volume is high and some cycle and skate only sections are posted not that the signs really have a significant impact just means less people wander around as have an alternative with better views - there are lots of cross paths and car park entrances and exits so not really a place for any speedDon't know about Melbourne
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby RonK » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:20 pm
That would be Ride the City, also available as a smartphone app for iPhone and Android.Xplora wrote:Op wants a tool to search routes.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby simonn » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:04 pm
I wouldn't rely on it. Has given me some worrying routes. Research still required, as Xplora wrote.RonK wrote:That would be Ride the City, also available as a smartphone app for iPhone and Android.Xplora wrote:Op wants a tool to search routes.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby RonK » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:16 pm
Yep - Ride the City tries to join marked bike lanes and paths. This sometimes results in quite convoluted routes, particularly if you choose safe or safer over direct.simonn wrote:I wouldn't rely on it. Has given me some worrying routes. Research still required, as Xplora wrote.RonK wrote:That would be Ride the City, also available as a smartphone app for iPhone and Android.Xplora wrote:Op wants a tool to search routes.
About as much as you could expect really.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Xplora » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:11 pm
OP, the challenge you face is that the miracle of the bike, to mount kerbs and squeeze through bollards, makes it really hard to sate a desire for info like a street directory because it requires community work to fill those gaps. In reality, councils should be filling in the information but I think we'll die waiting for that to happen.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Mulger bill » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:25 pm
Harbour Esplanade in Melbs has a well signed bike only path all the way from Dudley St to the Webb Bridge (Part of the Capital City Trail) with acres of pedestrian space to the west. Proceed cautiously at all times.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby il padrone » Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:39 pm
In Melbourne the only ones that I am aware of are the bike path along a section of Beaconsfield Parade, where there is a parallel pedestrian footpath (mostly the pedestrians and rollerbladers are pretty erratic about which path they choose to use); and the path alongside Horbour Esplanade through Docklands - again a pedestrian footpath nearby and a fair bit of grief from peds walikng on the bike path.wombatK wrote:Cycleways are part of the road infrastructure, and their legal status is established.....
......Don't know about Melbourne, but there are very very few in Sydney
Enforcement of these rules is negligable.
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Mulger bill » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:05 pm
FTFY *sigh*il padrone wrote:Enforcement of these rules is non existent.
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby il padrone » Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:28 pm
"An unjustified and unethical imposition on a healthy activity."
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Re: Cycleways vs shared use paths.
Postby Mulger bill » Fri Sep 06, 2013 7:15 pm
A huge dose of B/ need to be administered but chances are they are immune to the stuff anyway
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