Fulcrum racing 3
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Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:46 am
I have some lower grade fulcrum wheels and like the 2:1 spoke lacing.
Interested if they are any good, it is only one commercial review.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby le_quiet_uno » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:51 am
Hope this helps you make your decision.
Alternatively, you can check out its sister wheel - Campagnolo Zonda.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:10 am
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby macca33 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:48 am
The Campag equivalents would be just as good and interestingly enough, are a tad cheaper - at each level of wheelset. I 'spose some don't like the word Campagnolo on their Shmano / SRAM equipped bikes, but I don't see it as an issue if it means you'd save a few bucks on wheels that are of the exact same quality / standard.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby scirocco » Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:10 pm
Had to replace the freehub recently as one of the bearings got water and dirt into it and was corroded. It's a standard campy part, not hard to get.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby danny the boy » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:40 pm
6 posts in and waiting.....
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:49 pm
I'm probably leaning toward the zondas. Not only are they cheaper but I like to confound the purists by having (then) components from all 3 major groupset manufacturers on my bike
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:21 pm
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wt? is going on with that you tube sharing.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby winstonw » Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:40 pm
Won't be buying anymore Fulcrums. I have no confidence in the spokes used.
Instead, I'll look at Shimano Ultegra or a custom build (ultegra hub, sapim spokes, kinlin rim)
BTW, I weigh 85kg and had about 2kg of gear on board (water etc).
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby Dave R32 » Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:54 pm
From what I have read, Fulcrums run very hot and cold, some sets are trouble free and others are lemons.
My opinion...Shimano or custom built wheels.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 1:30 pm
Dave R32 wrote:I did 50kms on a set and returned them. They arrived slightly out of true, alloy shavings floating around inside the rim and the freewheel started slipping on the first ride.
From what I have read, Fulcrums run very hot and cold, some sets are trouble free and others are lemons.
My opinion...Shimano or custom built wheels.
Cheers
Dave.
Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.winstonw wrote:On the brakes descending the very steep bit of the backside of Mt Glorious this morning, 1/4 of the way through a 230k ride, no mobile reception, and a long way from home, I had a Fulcrum Racing 3 rear wheel spoke snap at the hub end. Total PITA. eventually hailed down a Motorcyclist heading down the hill to where my ride buddy would be waiting, and he obligingly agreed to tell him what happened. Meanwhile, a miracle occurred when a savy man in a commercial van came up the hill....and was heading all the way past my place. He told me about the more than dozen people he has helped out on the mountain (cyclists, motorcyclists, motorists). Lovely guy...offered him $50 but he wouldn't take it.
Won't be buying anymore Fulcrums. I have no confidence in the spokes used.
Instead, I'll look at Shimano Ultegra or a custom build (ultegra hub, sapim spokes, kinlin rim)
BTW, I weigh 85kg and had about 2kg of gear on board (water etc).
Also considering RS81's but I've had a previous bad experience with low end 20 spoke shimano rear wheel.
The G3 spoking on Campag makes more sense to me and I note that Shimano is using 2:1 spoking on many of its higher end wheelsets. C24 misses out though
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby biker jk » Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:55 pm
The RS81 is not a low end wheelset. Pretty much identical rim to the Dura-Ace C24.warthog1 wrote:
Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.
Also considering RS81's but I've had a previous bad experience with low end 20 spoke shimano rear wheel.
The G3 spoking on Campag makes more sense to me and I note that Shimano is using 2:1 spoking on many of its higher end wheelsets. C24 misses out though
There are pluses and minuses of 2:1 rear spoke lacing. It's done to equalise the spoke tension between the non-drive and drive side, a problem exacerbated by the move to 11-speed hubs. But with only seven non-drive side spokes, breaking one means the wheel becomes unrideable. The hubs used for 2:1 lacing need a stronger non-drive side flange for radial lacing and also the flange pushed further out to keep lateral strength unchanged given the fewer spokes. Note that the C24 doesn't use 2:1 spoke lacing on the rear but does use an offset rim (spoke holes to the left of centre) which helps equalise the spoke tension.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 5:53 pm
Understand all that thanks. As I also understand it, pushing the non drive side flange further out to even the spoke tension, means the wheel achieves the same stiffness as a traditionally laced wheel that has twice the number of spokes on the non drive side.biker jk wrote:The RS81 is not a low end wheelset. Pretty much identical rim to the Dura-Ace C24.warthog1 wrote:
Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.
Also considering RS81's but I've had a previous bad experience with low end 20 spoke shimano rear wheel.
The G3 spoking on Campag makes more sense to me and I note that Shimano is using 2:1 spoking on many of its higher end wheelsets. C24 misses out though
There are pluses and minuses of 2:1 rear spoke lacing. It's done to equalise the spoke tension between the non-drive and drive side, a problem exacerbated by the move to 11-speed hubs. But with only seven non-drive side spokes, breaking one means the wheel becomes unrideable. The hubs used for 2:1 lacing need a stronger non-drive side flange for radial lacing and also the flange pushed further out to keep lateral strength unchanged given the fewer spokes. Note that the C24 doesn't use 2:1 spoke lacing on the rear but does use an offset rim (spoke holes to the left of centre) which helps equalise the spoke tension.
ie; the 21 spoke zonda with 2:1 lacing, 14 drive-7 non drive, should have the same lateral rigidity as a traditional 28 spoke wheel.
I know the rs81 is a high end wheel however it still has only 20 spokes. Breaking a spoke on my whr 550 20 spoke rear wheel also rendered the wheel unrideable.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby macca33 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:32 pm
warthog1 wrote:Understand all that thanks. As I also understand it, pushing the non drive side flange further out to even the spoke tension, means the wheel achieves the same stiffness as a traditionally laced wheel that has twice the number of spokes on the non drive side.biker jk wrote:The RS81 is not a low end wheelset. Pretty much identical rim to the Dura-Ace C24.warthog1 wrote:
Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.
Also considering RS81's but I've had a previous bad experience with low end 20 spoke shimano rear wheel.
The G3 spoking on Campag makes more sense to me and I note that Shimano is using 2:1 spoking on many of its higher end wheelsets. C24 misses out though
There are pluses and minuses of 2:1 rear spoke lacing. It's done to equalise the spoke tension between the non-drive and drive side, a problem exacerbated by the move to 11-speed hubs. But with only seven non-drive side spokes, breaking one means the wheel becomes unrideable. The hubs used for 2:1 lacing need a stronger non-drive side flange for radial lacing and also the flange pushed further out to keep lateral strength unchanged given the fewer spokes. Note that the C24 doesn't use 2:1 spoke lacing on the rear but does use an offset rim (spoke holes to the left of centre) which helps equalise the spoke tension.
ie; the 21 spoke zonda with 2:1 lacing, 14 drive-7 non drive, should have the same lateral rigidity as a traditional 28 spoke wheel.
I know the rs81 is a high end wheel however it still has only 20 spokes. Breaking a spoke on my whr 550 20 spoke rear wheel also rendered the wheel unrideable.
When I made my first secondhand road bike purchase in October last, it was fitted with WH-500 wheels 16f/20r spoke configuration - they seemed very delicate and ALWAYS concerned me , as a rider the wrong sde of 100Kg. I bought some Pro-Lite Comos and they were good, but very heavy.
Now I have a few sets of Fulcrums - R1, R3 & R5 (spare wheelset at a stupidly good price from Wiggle a few months ago) and they are all good wheels in my humble opinion. I usually ride the R1s on my 'dale and the R3s on my work bike, but had to rebuild the R1 freehub (bearings imploded and bearing shop wasn't open on Saturday!), so put the R5s on to race yesterday. With slightly less stiffness and slight weight penalty, the R5s performed almost as well as the R1s do - as ridden by a rider of lowly calibre.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Mon Sep 09, 2013 8:16 pm
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby datanerd » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:47 pm
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby winstonw » Wed Sep 11, 2013 7:12 am
I'm over "most" user reviews. They're generally colored by a buyer's confirmation bias, being written within a month of buying. Rarely do I see a review after someone has put 20-30,000 k's on, which is when a review actually means something.warthog1 wrote:Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.
My evolved view is lighter wheels last less long. If you want a set of wheels to stay true, be able to handle the occasional pothole or bunny hop, be less susceptible to speed wobble, and be able to ride on long country rides over horrible surfaces, then you are better on wheels over 1600-1800g (depending on your bodyweight). Wheels under 1600g are just not as durable.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:00 am
I would like to see some of those cycling websites; road.cc, velonews etc do long term reviews of wheels. Doesn't happen though, best you can find is feedback on forumswinstonw wrote:I'm over "most" user reviews. They're generally colored by a buyer's confirmation bias, being written within a month of buying. Rarely do I see a review after someone has put 20-30,000 k's on, which is when a review actually means something.warthog1 wrote:Thanks for the feed back fellas. I'm currently leaning towards Zondas as they are cheaper. Good reviews on wiggle.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby sir_camel » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:42 pm
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby winstonw » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:55 pm
what do you weigh and what surfaces?sir_camel wrote:I've done a few thousand km on a set of Zondas now and they've been faultless and roll considerably better than my mates set of RS80 c24's. They're a great wheel.
I presume they have the same spokes as the Fulcrum 3, which have broken twice now.
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Re: Fulcrum racing 3
Postby warthog1 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 9:01 am
Thanks SC. I am pretty well decided on them at this stage. Seem good value and good performance. I won't be racing on them, but need a good wheelset for training rides as there are some very fast riders where I live.sir_camel wrote:I've done a few thousand km on a set of Zondas now and they've been faultless and roll considerably better than my mates set of RS80 c24's. They're a great wheel.
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