Can understand why.jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Andrew
Postby Aushiker » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:20 pm
Can understand why.jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Postby zero » Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:41 pm
Yeah it happens, probably won't be you as long as you roll in at 20ish or less because if you are sufficiently near the apex to be visible it modifies the behavior of other riders. This is something I've sample a lot of on the Anzac Bridge dogleg which allows riders of varying skills to approach at 40+ due to the bridge slope (and keeps my speed down climbing too).jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Postby jules21 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:28 pm
there's a point at which you are close enough to the corner (i'm ahead of it there) that if someone comes towards you in a similar manner to the rider in the video, they can't see you around the bend and can't adjust their line if they're committed - as that guy was. i've had one guy who experienced that scenario - but i was still just enough ahead to avoid a collision. he still locked up and slid wildly - narrowly avoiding a crash - and that was with me still a bit ahead of where i could be while still 'invisible'. it will happen one day.zero wrote: Yeah it happens, probably won't be you as long as you roll in at 20ish or less because if you are sufficiently near the apex to be visible it modifies the behavior of other riders.
Postby g-boaf » Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:23 pm
Perhaps walk through that area? Or is that too inconvenient a way to avoid a crash?jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Postby jules21 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 4:35 pm
my speed is not the issue, which is the other rider barreling around the corner and seeing someone else in his path. it wouldn't matter if i was riding or walking - i'm not going fast either way. the problem is - they have nowhere to go if they can't pull it back onto their LHS.g-boaf wrote:Perhaps walk through that area? Or is that too inconvenient a way to avoid a crash?
Postby human909 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:03 pm
Postby SquareWheels » Thu Sep 19, 2013 5:41 pm
Postby Aushiker » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:28 pm
You do realise it is not a freeway don't you ... the freeway in Perth runs north - south; it is just a four to six lane road. I used to ride Leach Highway all the time ... not a big issue at all, I have ridden much narrow rides where there are lots of trucks at higher speeds. Cockburn Road comes to mind for starters.SquareWheels wrote:Both of them on the Leach Highway in Perth (between Tudor Ave and Majorie Ave https://maps.google.com.au/?ll=-32.0270 ... 2&t=h&z=17). The first guy was headed east and was on the freeway on a step-through, going about 20kph (if he was lucky) and was sitting in the right hand lane of the 2 east bound lanes just past vahland Ave. Death wish I thought as this is a service freeway and is inhabited by lots of large trucks + it was in the middle of peak hour traffic.
Postby Summernight » Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:24 pm
I rode that corner recently (for the first time). In the back of my mind was the exact same concern - 'I hope no-one is coming in the other direction at a fast speed and taking the corner wide/cutting it'.jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Postby trailgumby » Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:33 pm
Some similarities to the southern on-ramp coming onto the sydney harbour bridge bikeway. Nearly everybody - including myself - swings onto the wrong side at some point, it's hard to avoid, even going real slow.Summernight wrote:I rode that corner recently (for the first time). In the back of my mind was the exact same concern - 'I hope no-one is coming in the other direction at a fast speed and taking the corner wide/cutting it'.jules21 wrote:this corner scares me. one day i will be posting a crash here, potentially involving me.
Postby ColinOldnCranky » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:25 pm
Sorta naked streets beaviour without the naked bit.Aushiker wrote:It is not all rosy in the Netherlands BTW that is a one-way bike lane.
Andrew
Postby bychosis » Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:37 pm
Postby jules21 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:09 am
after being threatened to have the kid removed so many times by DOCS, your warning had little impactbychosis wrote:#2 group of young adults (bogan styled) having a chat, completely oblivious to their only-just-walking toddler wobbles across and back in front of us. When I called out for them to watch their bub there wasn't any reaction.
Postby il padrone » Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:57 am
Doesn't even look like a freeway. Just a fairly normal urban divided arterial road. I ride this sort of road all the time, and at times even do so in the right lane eg. when lining up for a right turn.SquareWheels wrote:The first guy was headed east and was on the freeway on a step-through, going about 20kph (if he was lucky) and was sitting in the right hand lane of the 2 east bound lanes just past vahland Ave. Death wish I thought as this is a service freeway and is inhabited by lots of large trucks
Postby Scarfy96 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:35 am
Yes that shared path is pedestrian heaven (or hell) on a weekend, brave to ride there, have to ride very slowly and very carefully, great way to get the kids skills upbychosis wrote:Sunday afternoon isn't the best time to use the local foreshore cycleway apparently. Very busy, that's fine.
#1 three people meandering along the path, across the full width. Lead rider of our group of four dings, right hand pedestrian moves left(ish) for bike 1 to pass, then back right I front of two kids and me without so much as looking. Kinda wish one of the kids had run into him
Postby g-boaf » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:04 pm
If you are walking though, you've more of an opportunity to jump out of the way of people going over their side of the path.jules21 wrote:my speed is not the issue, which is the other rider barreling around the corner and seeing someone else in his path. it wouldn't matter if i was riding or walking - i'm not going fast either way. the problem is - they have nowhere to go if they can't pull it back onto their LHS.g-boaf wrote:Perhaps walk through that area? Or is that too inconvenient a way to avoid a crash?
Postby Lukeyboy » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:41 pm
Postby lobstermash » Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:46 pm
Postby twizzle » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:04 pm
I love how they continue to step into the road AFTER the cars have the green light!lobstermash wrote:Floriade is driving me insane at the moment... Zombie peds galore
Postby jules21 » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:06 pm
men at worktwizzle wrote:Myself and the mate gave him a "golf clap" (gawd, what movie was that in?),
Postby twizzle » Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:52 pm
Ta.jules21 wrote:men at worktwizzle wrote:Myself and the mate gave him a "golf clap" (gawd, what movie was that in?),
Postby SquareWheels » Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:35 pm
yes my bad from the original post. Meant to be highway sorry. Mixed my terminology from the start of the post to the latter portion. While you and Aushiker may be game enough to ride this, and I may also if it wasn't peak hour, there is not a hope in hell that you will catch me in the right hand lane of this beast when there is no right hand turn for a long way off and its peak hour traffic. I will withdraw the Dumb Cyclist for the other fella but not the right hand lane guyDoesn't even look like a freeway. Just a fairly normal urban divided arterial road. I ride this sort of road all the time, and at times even do so in the right lane eg. when lining up for a right turn.
Re the trucks - articulated-truck drivers are the most courteous drivers on the roads in my experience. As long as you signal your intentions, claim a reasonable space before they reach you, and behave half-decently, they will be courteous and overtake you safely with good space to clear.
Postby bychosis » Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:49 pm
The fact that the are many groups, esp families on sunday arvo should make you think about looking around a bit. Mr 8 tends to ring his bell to late, and Mr 6's new 2nd hand bike's bell was missing the dinger bit, but you're right we make a bit of a racket approaching anyone most of the time.Scarfy96 wrote:Yes that shared path is pedestrian heaven (or hell) on a weekend, brave to ride there, have to ride very slowly and very carefully, great way to get the kids skills upbychosis wrote:Sunday afternoon isn't the best time to use the local foreshore cycleway apparently. Very busy, that's fine.
#1 three people meandering along the path, across the full width. Lead rider of our group of four dings, right hand pedestrian moves left(ish) for bike 1 to pass, then back right I front of two kids and me without so much as looking. Kinda wish one of the kids had run into him
In this instance (#1) I always say "thanks 3 more following" as I pass (or however many there are) just to alert them to the fact that more are coming - yes they should look but .....
That said my kids love their bells so it is often an orchestra approaching from behind as my wife and kids all chime in!
Postby wob » Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:44 pm
Postby ldrcycles » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:27 pm
Well that's the important thing .wob wrote: But the bike seems ok.
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