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Silence Lotto
Postby Chuck » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:59 pm
Will they even try ?
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Re: Silence Lotto
Postby Cyclaholic » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:11 pm
You speak of "they" (Silence Lotto) as if they ride like a team.... all I see are a bunch of individual pros that just happen to be wearing the same jersey.Chuck wrote:Well they couldn't deliver Cadel to the GC title but can they deliver Robbie to a famous stage win tonight ?
Will they even try ?
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Postby ohmygewd » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:28 am
Message to Marc Sargeants :
IF EVANS HAD PROTECTION IN THE ALPS, HE POSSIBLY WOULD HAVE CONSERVED ENERGY???? IF YOU HAD OF KEPT HORNER AND GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE FOCUS IS TO WIN, YOU MAY HAVE AFFORD TO LET GO OF MCEWEN AND LURE VANDE VELDE BEFORE THE START OF THE YEAR??
To Evans: Did you believe that you could convert a tradional Green Jersey team to one capable of winning the Yellow? LoL, he answered that by the amount of help he had in any of the climbing stages.
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Postby thomas_cho » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:42 pm
You speak as though the sole race that all teams compete in is the TDF. The one day classics, the other two grand tours, are probably important as well in the race calendar. In the recent years only Sir Lancedope with the support of his postal team concentrated on wining just one race a year, and that was the TDF.ohmygewd wrote:Silence-Lotto have a great history of being a Green jersey or sprinting team, if l read Marc Sargeants comments in regard to Evans failing to win the yellow jersey, he admits the team was not performing well but at the same time blamed Evans for not perform better in the TT.
Message to Marc Sargeants :
IF EVANS HAD PROTECTION IN THE ALPS, HE POSSIBLY WOULD HAVE CONSERVED ENERGY???? IF YOU HAD OF KEPT HORNER AND GAVE CLEAR DIRECTION THAT THE FOCUS IS TO WIN, YOU MAY HAVE AFFORD TO LET GO OF MCEWEN AND LURE VANDE VELDE BEFORE THE START OF THE YEAR??
To Evans: Did you believe that you could convert a tradional Green Jersey team to one capable of winning the Yellow? LoL, he answered that by the amount of help he had in any of the climbing stages.
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:24 pm
Why should Robbie dedicate himself to Cadel?...i am sure he did plenty of work and wasn't he the last rider left on the alpe d'huez stage...say it isn't so!...but he is there as a sprinter to win stages..something Cadel didn't get close to doing.
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Postby thomas_cho » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:04 pm
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Postby Chuck » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:18 pm
I respect you TLL, but that is a disappointing comment.toolonglegs wrote:something Cadel didn't get close to doing.
He's been damn close to winning the WHOLE thing twice.
If first and second switched teams the last two years I think both results would have been reversed.
A podium finish at the Tour is a greater achievement than a stage win.
5 days in yellow is not a bad effort either.
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:23 pm
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Postby sogood » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:28 pm
RK wrote:And that is Wikipedia - I can write my own definition.
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:29 pm
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Postby toolonglegs » Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:58 pm
Chuck wrote:No worries.toolonglegs wrote:Agree to disagree...
6th on stage 1, 4th on stage 4, 3rd (sure to be promoted to 2nd) on stage 6 and a number of other top 10 finishes by Cadel (sorry mate had to get that in )
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Postby ohmygewd » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:32 pm
The point l was try to make TLL was in comparison to Stuey O'Grady whom is a great sprinter but he worked hard for the CSC team in sacrificing his TdF for the better of the team leader.toolonglegs wrote: Why should Robbie dedicate himself to Cadel?...i am sure he did plenty of work and wasn't he the last rider left on the alpe d'huez stage...say it isn't so!...but he is there as a sprinter to win stages..something Cadel didn't get close to doing.
Now, outside of Cadel, McEwen had the most experience in Sil-Lotto so l would have thought he would have taken the mantle as team captain (like a Hincapie for Discovery/Columbia) and lead from the front and "helped" Evans, and thus the team, with the every possibility of winning the TdF?
Maybe l'm just envious of how CSC rode throughout the TdF and how each individual bascially sacrificed stage wins in order to help Sastre win the thing?
On Cadel being a wheel sucker and not attacking, do you think he had a choice? No help from his team so he chose to ride defensively until the last stage where he put his eggs in one basket - a flawed plan but IMO the only plan he could have had unless he felt his team could protect him...which they couldn't (IMO).
PS. I think you'll find that Mario Aerts, Yaroslav Popovych and Johan Van Summeren finished ahead of McEwen in the Alpe d'Huez stage.
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Postby ohmygewd » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:02 am
Maybe Sil-Lotto did their survival camp Saint Tropeztoolonglegs wrote:....From the start of the year when they go on survival camp together,riders,staff, mechanics and anyone else in the team builds up such a strong bond that they are willing to sacrifice everything for the team...obviously works.
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Postby thomas_cho » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:34 am
Cadels strength is in the TT, thats where he puts time into others.
But one has to ask if Cadel has the ability to command respect and rally the team around him.
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Postby moosterbounce » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:28 pm
Rasmissing?thomas_cho wrote:...doped up Rico or Contadope or Rasmussen is in my opinion expecting a lot from Cadel.
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Postby sittingbison » Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:29 pm
Cadel rode as a sole trader against a multinational corporation.
I still hoped he would risk it all though, rather than a war of attrition. I think that would have been the way to rattle the bigger teams and test the psyche of the other contenders - taking a LEAD towards the TT rather than a deficit. Wasn't to be.
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