Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
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Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby Arlberg » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:56 pm
I have an aluminium hybrid which weighs a hefty 14kg. My carbon road bike weighs half that. Can I presume that if I train on the heavy bike for the same length of time as I would have on the lighter road bike I am likely to get stronger in the legs and lungs, and also burn more energy and therefore lose more weight?
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby twizzle » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:43 pm
But, given hybrid vs road bike, you will use muscles differently which means you won't necessarily train what you expect. On a positive note, a hybrid is also a crapload less aero, so will always be harder to ride at the same speed.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby visrealm » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:53 pm
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby am50em » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:54 pm
Total energy expended in both cases is the same - but you will travel further on the lighter bike especially if there are hills involved.
If you only ride a certain distance say 50km then you will use less energy (lose less weight, less fitness) on the lighter bike.
Group ride with everyone on light bikes and you on a heavy bike, you will have to output more power to keep up assuming you do your share at the front (more weight loss, better fitness). Really its less about the bike and more about what effort (power/time) you put in on the bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby visrealm » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:57 pm
In my case they're both road bikes, though the commuter is slightly smaller 58cm where my roadie is a 60cm. The difference is noticeable, but overall position is *similar*.twizzle wrote:Only when climbing/accelerating. But in general, "yes".
But, given hybrid vs road bike, you will use muscles differently which means you won't necessarily train what you expect. On a positive note, a hybrid is also a crapload less aero, so will always be harder to ride at the same speed.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby RonK » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:36 pm
For sure - my mates dread me coming back from a month away riding my loaded touring bike.Arlberg wrote:Just wondering if there are any advantages by training on a heavy bike?
I have an aluminium hybrid which weighs a hefty 14kg. My carbon road bike weighs half that. Can I presume that if I train on the heavy bike for the same length of time as I would have on the lighter road bike I am likely to get stronger in the legs and lungs, and also burn more energy and therefore lose more weight?
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby foo on patrol » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:13 pm
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby twizzle » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:23 pm
My wife wants you to explain your 2N model to her.foo on patrol wrote:From my view, you should only be on your race (at full spec) is for a shake down and rehersal for a big race eg; a TT or team time trial.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby jcjordan » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:53 pm
You need to ride regularly on your race bike to make sure you are users how it feels.foo on patrol wrote:From my view, you should only be on your race (at full spec) is for a shake down and rehersal for a big race eg; a TT or team time trial.
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Even though my commuter and race bike are basically the same setup (both Madone's) the do have a different ride feel due to different wheels and tyres, plus a 4kg difference in weight.
This is especially true when it comes to TT riding. You just can't train on a road bike and expect to handle the ride the same.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby Arlberg » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:13 pm
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby lobstermash » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:35 pm
You have to be damned dedicated and goal oriented to get on the heavier bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby foo on patrol » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:50 pm
You blokes can't be racing enough, if you don't know how your road bike handles in race trim.jcjordan wrote:You need to ride regularly on your race bike to make sure you are users how it feels.foo on patrol wrote:From my view, you should only be on your race (at full spec) is for a shake down and rehersal for a big race eg; a TT or team time trial.
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Even though my commuter and race bike are basically the same setup (both Madone's) the do have a different ride feel due to different wheels and tyres, plus a 4kg difference in weight.
This is especially true when it comes to TT riding. You just can't train on a road bike and expect to handle the ride the same.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby jcjordan » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:58 pm
Race nearly every weekend.foo on patrol wrote:You blokes can't be racing enough, if you don't know how your road bike handles in race trim.jcjordan wrote:You need to ride regularly on your race bike to make sure you are users how it feels.foo on patrol wrote:From my view, you should only be on your race (at full spec) is for a shake down and rehersal for a big race eg; a TT or team time trial.
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Even though my commuter and race bike are basically the same setup (both Madone's) the do have a different ride feel due to different wheels and tyres, plus a 4kg difference in weight.
This is especially true when it comes to TT riding. You just can't train on a road bike and expect to handle the ride the same.
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Ride my alloy Madone through the week and carbon on the weekend.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby Crawf » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:35 pm
Although 8kg is not a light race bike, it still feels like i'm flying and is treated like a treat as such.
The 11.5kg bike is built for anything, 28mm tyres, disc brakes, mudguards, dynamo, Ti - a HTFU no excuses bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby ldrcycles » Sun Sep 29, 2013 3:44 pm
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby beanspropulsion » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:30 pm
+1Daccordi Rider wrote:Simple to sort this out. Do the pros jump on a heavy bike to train? Nope. Effort is effort. You can only put out so much power or push your heart so far. The weight is irrelevant, it's the effort that counts. Sure the light bike will feel nice after riding a heavy one but that's all.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby lobstermash » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:01 pm
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby toolonglegs » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:08 pm
You go to the gym to achieve things that cannot be done on a bike.
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Re: Training on a heavy or weighted bike.
Postby ldrcycles » Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:42 pm
Unlikely, weight training (if we're talking about doing squats or leg presses) are only going to be a small number of repetitions, to attempt to replicate that on the bike you would need some extraordinarily high gear and only ride around the block once.lobstermash wrote:The pros substitute heavy bike riding with weight training in a gym. Between being out riding a heavier bike and being stuck in a gym, I know what I'd rather do....
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