The pavement for the cyclepath is clear across the driveway.wellington_street wrote:I used the term driveway as a synonym of "road related area" - swap the words around and same deal.il padrone wrote:Rule 74 says nothing at all about driveways. It is simply road-related areas that are identified. These include a variety of areas, but most notably:wellington_street wrote:It's a legal grey area (see some previous posts from citywomble in particular) as even though the driveway appears to lead to a car park, it is constructed as a road crossing not a driveway crossing. Certainly it is a grey enough area for drive behaviour and that's more important than what is technically correct under the road rules.So I don't see it as any sort of legal grey area, just a grey area in the coddled brains of many motorists.(d) an area that is not a road and that is open to or used by the public for driving, riding or parking motor vehicles;
The actual crossing point is constructed as a road crossing, not as a "road related area" crossing. I don't think it is unreasonable for motorists to be confused over who has priority at the crossing because the roads authority has constructed it to make it appear to be a road crossing.
If the path pavement was continuous across the crossing, or the crossing was raised at path level, it would be a different story as it would be pretty clear that the path has priority* at this crossing.
The legal grey area comes from whether a reasonable person would be expected to understand that what is designed, constructed and appears as a road crossing is actually a driveway.
* Not always the case though as some retarded Local Governments (e.g. Subiaco) love to put in raised crossings that aren't actually zebra crossings and confused the hell out of everyone
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Postby wellington_street » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:43 pm
So it iszero wrote:The pavement for the cyclepath is clear across the driveway.
Sorry guys, my bad. Don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that post.
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Wow!herzog wrote:
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Postby cowled » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:10 pm
Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.
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how's your leg?cowled wrote:Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.
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Postby cowled » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:45 pm
Have just recently ditched the crutches, but I've got a nasty limp. The physio sessions in the pool are really helping to build up the muscles in my leg that control balance. It can be painful at times, but I'm making progress these last two weeks, so I'm encouraged by that. Can't wait for a cheque from the driver's insurer so that I can order a new bike.arkle wrote:how's your leg?cowled wrote:Not in Qld. That would have been a 1 demerit point fine, here.zero wrote:In Australia that driver would be charged with either fail to give way or negligent driving, in america it will be no criminality suspected.
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did your friend stop to help the driver?queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!
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My friend wasn't the driver, but yes, the truckie stopped and some words were exchanged. He's incredibly lucky that a) the centre guard stopped him crossing the freeway, and b) the truckie stomped on the brakes.arkle wrote:did your friend stop to help the driver?queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!
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The crumbledore driver can't have been looking more than an inch in front of his bonnet, stupidity .queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!
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This was the result:
It wasn't a bike that hit the door, but a truck. She was a very fortunate lady.
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that is appallingly bad driving. even though the manouvre was unnecessary, it could have been done quite easily had the moron not run right up the arse of of the car before swerving into the next lane and losing control. actually i think that guy may have been in the crit race i was at this morning!queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!
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Postby zero » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:37 pm
even running right up the backside of the car ahead would have been fine if he didn't floor itjules21 wrote:that is appallingly bad driving. even though the manouvre was unnecessary, it could have been done quite easily had the moron not run right up the arse of of the car before swerving into the next lane and losing control. actually i think that guy may have been in the crit race i was at this morning!queequeg wrote:I had this video posted to me by a friend today. Yikes!
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One from today (Sunday 17-11-13)
and while I'm here, also from today.
The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!
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I think you might need to improve on that insult!BianchiCam wrote:The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!
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What's wrong with head heads?human909 wrote:I think you might need to improve on that insult!BianchiCam wrote:The sun must be making people turn into Cranium Heads!
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Postby hunch » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:29 am
Maybe white ones too!il padrone wrote:Black Auddi. No more needs to be said. Confirmed as the worst tossers on the road - more aggro and arrogant than even a tradie in a white 4WD Hilux tray-top
To avoid offending sensibilities of the Latin language speakers, youtube - Y2HKBQMQmbw#t
Did notice a proliferation of C63 AMGs yesterday in western Sydney too, mostly young guys, I'll avoid the stereotype of parentage, ......seemed to love the left hand undertake at speed.
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